1 00:00:15,310 --> 00:00:12,360 [Music] 2 00:00:19,420 --> 00:00:15,320 this hope radiates for the masses 3 00:00:20,859 --> 00:00:19,430 headline the best in July 8 1947 beyond 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:20,869 the airport who has announced on 5 00:00:25,810 --> 00:00:23,570 applying there - found under now in the 6 00:00:29,340 --> 00:00:25,820 possession of the honor the game is 7 00:00:32,189 --> 00:00:29,350 rigged change the game changer I 8 00:00:36,460 --> 00:00:32,199 occasionally think how quickly our 9 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:36,470 differences worldwide would vanish if we 10 00:00:40,660 --> 00:00:39,170 were facing an alien threat from outside 11 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:40,670 this way 12 00:00:42,580 --> 00:00:42,360 [Music] 13 00:00:46,030 --> 00:00:42,590 [Applause] 14 00:00:49,270 --> 00:00:46,040 [Music] 15 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:49,280 two black with your host Jimmy church on 16 00:00:57,639 --> 00:00:52,310 the game-changer Radio Network and K GRA 17 00:01:06,910 --> 00:01:02,790 I need your help to get to the year 1985 18 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:06,920 [Music] 19 00:01:11,580 --> 00:01:09,680 fade to black with Jimmy Church on the 20 00:01:26,330 --> 00:01:11,590 game changing Network 21 00:01:31,609 --> 00:01:26,340 [Music] 22 00:01:43,890 --> 00:01:34,330 fade to black 23 00:01:57,570 --> 00:01:45,770 [Music] 24 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:05,550 today is Wednesday August 7 2019 218 25 00:02:10,109 --> 00:02:09,610 days into the new year just 147 days 26 00:02:13,710 --> 00:02:10,119 left 27 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:13,720 we are live we are live from a bunker 28 00:02:19,950 --> 00:02:15,520 somewhere in the middle of beautiful 29 00:02:22,470 --> 00:02:19,960 downtown Burbank California and I would 30 00:02:26,490 --> 00:02:22,480 like to welcome everybody listening all 31 00:02:33,260 --> 00:02:26,500 around the world all across the United 32 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:33,270 States hither and thither to and fro 33 00:02:43,410 --> 00:02:39,210 back and forth up and down east and west 34 00:02:46,260 --> 00:02:43,420 north and south far and near 35 00:02:48,090 --> 00:02:46,270 this is fade to black for kjc are the 36 00:02:51,650 --> 00:02:48,100 game changer Network in Katy RA the 37 00:02:55,290 --> 00:02:51,660 planet I am your host Jimmy Church 38 00:02:57,930 --> 00:02:55,300 what is cracking everybody are you ready 39 00:03:01,680 --> 00:02:57,940 what a week on the show amazing week 40 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:01,690 amazing and tonight cap off this week 41 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:06,310 Scott Wolter is here Scott we are going 42 00:03:13,740 --> 00:03:09,730 to do a full wrap-up of the latest 43 00:03:16,649 --> 00:03:13,750 season season for four of America on 44 00:03:22,179 --> 00:03:19,119 unbelievable Scott is back he is the 45 00:03:24,100 --> 00:03:22,189 author and host of America on earth has 46 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:24,110 been president the American petrographic 47 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:26,930 services since 1990 he's also 48 00:03:32,940 --> 00:03:30,110 responsible for all of the investigation 49 00:03:37,210 --> 00:03:32,950 going into the Kensington Runestone 50 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:37,220 since the year 2000 and tonight we are 51 00:03:44,830 --> 00:03:41,090 going to discuss episode by episode the 52 00:03:48,509 --> 00:03:44,840 last season of America on earth season 4 53 00:03:51,970 --> 00:03:48,519 season 4 Scott congratulations 54 00:03:54,180 --> 00:03:51,980 hey Jimmy thank you for having me on and 55 00:03:57,940 --> 00:03:54,190 I can't believe we're sitting here 56 00:04:00,580 --> 00:03:57,950 talking about the season that is now 57 00:04:02,860 --> 00:04:00,590 aired M is in the history books it's 58 00:04:06,119 --> 00:04:02,870 it's just amazing you know they just 59 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:06,129 went by so quick it's hard to believe 60 00:04:10,180 --> 00:04:08,930 man your man in the world you're a man 61 00:04:14,970 --> 00:04:10,190 of the world hey Scott am I on 62 00:04:20,979 --> 00:04:18,550 okay that's not it's just your cavernous 63 00:04:25,719 --> 00:04:20,989 research facility that you're sitting in 64 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:25,729 I see you know what happened I can go to 65 00:04:30,010 --> 00:04:28,010 a different room but we just about two 66 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:30,020 weeks ago replace the carpet in our 67 00:04:35,950 --> 00:04:33,610 living room right with the good for oh 68 00:04:36,460 --> 00:04:35,960 that's what it see that's what I just 69 00:04:44,650 --> 00:04:36,470 said 70 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:44,660 you're cavernous okay it's fine it's 71 00:04:49,060 --> 00:04:46,310 fine don't even worry about it no here 72 00:04:52,089 --> 00:04:49,070 we go I'm gonna listen only the best for 73 00:04:54,909 --> 00:04:52,099 you pal oh this Scott is better Scott 74 00:04:58,570 --> 00:04:54,919 yes that sounds great you want to attack 75 00:05:01,810 --> 00:04:58,580 did you go into a closet no I'm down in 76 00:05:04,719 --> 00:05:01,820 my basement my rock room and I'm gonna 77 00:05:06,070 --> 00:05:04,729 stare at Lake Superior agates and I'm 78 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:06,080 just going to look at beautiful 79 00:05:12,659 --> 00:05:08,449 multicolored banding as I talk to you 80 00:05:16,950 --> 00:05:12,669 all right man I you know I I have 81 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:16,960 assembled along with Rita an amazing 82 00:05:21,909 --> 00:05:19,250 collection of crystals and different 83 00:05:26,140 --> 00:05:21,919 stones and I don't know I have a bunch 84 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:26,150 of stuff here in the bunker but over at 85 00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:27,490 the house now 86 00:05:33,659 --> 00:05:30,160 man it's it's it's just incredible and 87 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:33,669 just right well you know the thing is is 88 00:05:42,059 --> 00:05:37,289 I different stones like I'm doing now 89 00:05:45,260 --> 00:05:42,069 for the camera and you just look you 90 00:05:49,170 --> 00:05:45,270 look at it and you're holding history 91 00:05:52,499 --> 00:05:49,180 right and I wish I was I wish I was a 92 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:52,509 geologist or I knew what I was looking 93 00:05:58,499 --> 00:05:55,810 at or how I you know how I could analyze 94 00:06:00,420 --> 00:05:58,509 the age of it and where it came from and 95 00:06:02,730 --> 00:06:00,430 and stuff because you're holding stuff 96 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:02,740 that could be you know hundreds of 97 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:05,830 millions if not billions or two years 98 00:06:14,339 --> 00:06:09,360 old and that you're holding history and 99 00:06:16,439 --> 00:06:14,349 I'm doing it right now as we talk so you 100 00:06:19,740 --> 00:06:16,449 know I just I'd love to hear you say 101 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:19,750 that because I think most people out 102 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:21,130 there don't have that kind of 103 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:23,650 appreciation when they see something 104 00:06:29,909 --> 00:06:27,190 like a crystal or a fossil or something 105 00:06:32,969 --> 00:06:29,919 that's natural and beautiful and just 106 00:06:35,370 --> 00:06:32,979 stop and think about how old that is I 107 00:06:37,469 --> 00:06:35,380 mean that in itself is mind-boggling 108 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:37,479 even you can't even put it into 109 00:06:43,409 --> 00:06:40,449 perspective you know with human life I 110 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:43,419 mean it just goes so far back I mean if 111 00:06:48,540 --> 00:06:46,270 that doesn't sort of you know get your 112 00:06:52,409 --> 00:06:48,550 attention and humbly up nothing well 113 00:06:55,890 --> 00:06:52,419 right I went I went into a cave and in 114 00:07:00,510 --> 00:06:55,900 like Tennessee or Kentucky when I was a 115 00:07:01,709 --> 00:07:00,520 kid and I remember that it's all caves 116 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:01,719 down there right 117 00:07:07,170 --> 00:07:04,930 the I forget the names of each cave that 118 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:07,180 is you know in each city they've got you 119 00:07:13,310 --> 00:07:09,610 know the the thing going on there but I 120 00:07:16,830 --> 00:07:13,320 went into this it's just this huge cave 121 00:07:19,459 --> 00:07:16,840 looking at you know I'm 10 years old 11 122 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:19,469 years old looking at these crystals 123 00:07:26,330 --> 00:07:24,250 growing in there giant you know I don't 124 00:07:29,730 --> 00:07:26,340 even know how many feet you know huge 125 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:29,740 lights to like right and I'm looking at 126 00:07:34,610 --> 00:07:31,930 what one of them was called it's isn't 127 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:34,620 it called like the giant crystal cave 128 00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:36,849 yeah yeah crystal 129 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:38,800 that's right I've been there yeah it's 130 00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:40,810 it's insane 131 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:42,880 to walk through there I mean it's just 132 00:07:49,500 --> 00:07:45,970 insane and and they're growing they're 133 00:07:51,810 --> 00:07:49,510 alive they are alive you are a hundred 134 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:51,820 percent right and they go for miles and 135 00:07:57,660 --> 00:07:54,910 miles in some cases they go for tens and 136 00:07:59,730 --> 00:07:57,670 even hundreds of miles underground can 137 00:08:08,850 --> 00:07:59,740 you imagine if you ever got lost in 138 00:08:12,300 --> 00:08:08,860 there yeah I know people did get lost 139 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:12,310 I just watched I want to move on but I 140 00:08:20,850 --> 00:08:15,820 just watched a documentary that took 141 00:08:22,620 --> 00:08:20,860 place and I want to say it was Guatemala 142 00:08:25,410 --> 00:08:22,630 I could be wrong but there was a giant 143 00:08:28,380 --> 00:08:25,420 cave system down there and so they 144 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:28,390 they're down there and they find what 145 00:08:34,770 --> 00:08:31,890 they're calling the the the first human 146 00:08:36,330 --> 00:08:34,780 you know in in the Americas I think 147 00:08:39,780 --> 00:08:36,340 that's the title of the documentary it's 148 00:08:47,540 --> 00:08:39,790 a NatGeo thing or PBS and it was of a 149 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:47,550 girl and I think she was fifteen 150 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:52,000 thousand years old I could be wrong in 151 00:08:57,420 --> 00:08:55,210 that but becae old it was somewhere but 152 00:09:01,430 --> 00:08:57,430 she had clothes or you know I mean she 153 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:01,440 had stuff I okay but but anyway anyway 154 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:04,930 she got lost she got lost in the cave 155 00:09:10,950 --> 00:09:09,370 got lost lost her footing and was you 156 00:09:14,580 --> 00:09:10,960 know found at the bottom of the cave-in 157 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:14,590 with animal bones but she you know she 158 00:09:20,130 --> 00:09:16,150 was probably down there looking for 159 00:09:22,860 --> 00:09:20,140 water or whatever and just got lost and 160 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:22,870 lost in the dark and then went off an 161 00:09:27,750 --> 00:09:26,050 edge and right ended up yeah maybe she 162 00:09:30,660 --> 00:09:27,760 fell into water to I mean it could have 163 00:09:32,820 --> 00:09:30,670 been rice and underground you know cave 164 00:09:35,490 --> 00:09:32,830 with water and man that you go in there 165 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:35,500 it's lights out you know yeah you got a 166 00:09:41,550 --> 00:09:38,650 torch and everything is good right right 167 00:09:44,550 --> 00:09:41,560 you got a torch it's lit up well you're 168 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:44,560 safe that torch goes out inside of a 169 00:09:55,449 --> 00:09:52,850 cave it's bright 170 00:09:58,689 --> 00:09:55,459 pun lights out the lights out it's a 171 00:10:01,710 --> 00:09:58,699 it's a it's a crazy documentary I wanted 172 00:10:05,079 --> 00:10:01,720 to ask you this before we move on yeah 173 00:10:07,539 --> 00:10:05,089 how far and you may know these answers 174 00:10:10,359 --> 00:10:07,549 you may not but there's a reason for me 175 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:10,369 setting you up for the last question how 176 00:10:18,219 --> 00:10:15,410 far have we drilled how deep have we 177 00:10:22,590 --> 00:10:18,229 drilled how deep underground have we 178 00:10:28,119 --> 00:10:22,600 drilled into the earth into the earth 179 00:10:32,979 --> 00:10:28,129 well I can tell you I myself have been 180 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:32,989 in a in a mind that was over a half mile 181 00:10:38,499 --> 00:10:35,929 deep now that's not a drill that's just 182 00:10:42,129 --> 00:10:38,509 a mind okay and when I went on there it 183 00:10:43,779 --> 00:10:42,139 was like in the high 80s I mean I had to 184 00:10:45,669 --> 00:10:43,789 strip off my clothes I was wearing a 185 00:10:48,219 --> 00:10:45,679 t-shirt and I was still sweating and 186 00:10:51,699 --> 00:10:48,229 that was just the geothermal heat of the 187 00:10:55,329 --> 00:10:51,709 earth because I was down so far and when 188 00:10:59,169 --> 00:10:55,339 I went when I went down it was a snow 189 00:11:01,299 --> 00:10:59,179 storm above I mean at the surface so 190 00:11:04,629 --> 00:11:01,309 yeah you know you have to think about 191 00:11:08,349 --> 00:11:04,639 that but I I think my guess is we have 192 00:11:13,210 --> 00:11:08,359 probably drilled at least 10 miles deep 193 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:13,220 I would guess 5.7 miles I point ok well 194 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:15,649 ok they're nuts that's far I mean 10 195 00:11:19,359 --> 00:11:16,970 miles okay 196 00:11:21,219 --> 00:11:19,369 I'm with you on that I would I would 197 00:11:25,449 --> 00:11:21,229 guess but it's five point seven miles 198 00:11:27,340 --> 00:11:25,459 which is nothing right nothing nothing 199 00:11:29,409 --> 00:11:27,350 compared to the size of the earth that's 200 00:11:32,829 --> 00:11:29,419 just barely scratching the surface yeah 201 00:11:36,359 --> 00:11:32,839 now I'm going somewhere with this ok all 202 00:11:41,999 --> 00:11:36,369 right ok so five point seven miles deep 203 00:11:47,019 --> 00:11:42,009 then we have radar or some type of 204 00:11:51,129 --> 00:11:47,029 seismic x-ray to look through the earth 205 00:11:53,649 --> 00:11:51,139 to the other side the answer is well you 206 00:11:55,989 --> 00:11:53,659 can use ice I don't know if our seismic 207 00:11:57,999 --> 00:11:55,999 activity will go all the way through the 208 00:12:00,999 --> 00:11:58,009 earth I think it might have the 209 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:01,009 capability of going through you know the 210 00:12:05,349 --> 00:12:03,529 lithosphere you know around the earth to 211 00:12:06,579 --> 00:12:05,359 the other side but to be quite frank 212 00:12:08,079 --> 00:12:06,589 with you this 213 00:12:10,449 --> 00:12:08,089 geophysical work that you're talking 214 00:12:12,670 --> 00:12:10,459 about I'm not an expert on I know enough 215 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:12,680 to be dangerous but I can't answer your 216 00:12:17,230 --> 00:12:14,930 question with any certainty but I don't 217 00:12:20,829 --> 00:12:17,240 I don't know if we have the capability 218 00:12:22,929 --> 00:12:20,839 to go straight through and measure you 219 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:22,939 know one side to the other maybe we do 220 00:12:25,629 --> 00:12:24,769 but if we do I'm not aware of it right 221 00:12:30,340 --> 00:12:25,639 exactly 222 00:12:38,590 --> 00:12:30,350 now as far as you know is there a CT 223 00:12:45,550 --> 00:12:38,600 scan is there is there an x-ray of 224 00:12:49,809 --> 00:12:45,560 planet Earth no well I think as far as 225 00:12:53,170 --> 00:12:49,819 actual you know an x-ray in the true 226 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:53,180 sense no but do we have a good idea of 227 00:13:00,579 --> 00:12:57,170 how the earth is constructed and we 228 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:00,589 understand how it's how it's made up 229 00:13:07,150 --> 00:13:04,430 yeah I think we do and now that's 230 00:13:13,629 --> 00:13:07,160 exactly where I'm going see you and I 231 00:13:18,610 --> 00:13:13,639 think alike we don't know much we have a 232 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:18,620 good scientific idea of what is down 233 00:13:24,550 --> 00:13:20,769 there and how the earth may be 234 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:24,560 constructed and what it is made up of at 235 00:13:32,170 --> 00:13:28,610 different levels but do we actually know 236 00:13:33,069 --> 00:13:32,180 we've only drilled down 5.7 miles that's 237 00:13:35,590 --> 00:13:33,079 it 238 00:13:37,569 --> 00:13:35,600 beyond that beyond that what is in the 239 00:13:41,470 --> 00:13:37,579 Earth's core what is going on 240 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:41,480 is it molten iron that is that is 241 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:44,810 rotating and causing the magnetic field 242 00:13:51,699 --> 00:13:47,810 and as their molten layers of this and 243 00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:51,709 that and okay all right oh I think the 244 00:13:56,889 --> 00:13:54,800 answer to that is is yes and and the 245 00:13:59,620 --> 00:13:56,899 evidence is going to be in the bulk and 246 00:14:02,710 --> 00:13:59,630 volcanic activity that we see happening 247 00:14:06,369 --> 00:14:02,720 on the planet all the time we see that 248 00:14:08,350 --> 00:14:06,379 with the movement of the plates I think 249 00:14:11,860 --> 00:14:08,360 that this whole general idea of plate 250 00:14:14,259 --> 00:14:11,870 tectonics with a molten you know mantle 251 00:14:18,249 --> 00:14:14,269 that plastic and moving and then a 252 00:14:19,490 --> 00:14:18,259 really hot core that makes sense to me I 253 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:19,500 mean again and 254 00:14:23,660 --> 00:14:21,360 one of the most impactful things that 255 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:23,670 convinces me of that is when I went down 256 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:26,070 to that mind you know I started off in a 257 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:28,050 snowstorm and I had to take all my 258 00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:29,910 clothes off because it was almost 90 259 00:14:35,150 --> 00:14:32,310 degrees right you know half mile down 260 00:14:37,340 --> 00:14:35,160 and if you kept going I gotta believe it 261 00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:37,350 would get hotter and maybe the reason 262 00:14:41,690 --> 00:14:40,140 we've only drilled down 5.7 miles which 263 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:41,700 is still a hell of a long ways 264 00:14:45,650 --> 00:14:43,980 well is because the temperatures got to 265 00:14:50,090 --> 00:14:45,660 the point where the drilling equipment 266 00:14:54,860 --> 00:14:50,100 just didn't work so Hollow Earth that's 267 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:54,870 right out then that's not I I don't buy 268 00:15:00,050 --> 00:14:58,530 that for a second but that's me and I 269 00:15:02,270 --> 00:15:00,060 can tell you one thing Jimmy I have 270 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:02,280 learned that when you don't have a 271 00:15:06,980 --> 00:15:04,530 definitive answer to something you 272 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:06,990 always leave that back door open but I 273 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:09,510 gotta tell you I might leave the screen 274 00:15:16,190 --> 00:15:12,450 door closed in the heavy door open a 275 00:15:19,450 --> 00:15:16,200 skosh right but but I am you're gonna 276 00:15:22,730 --> 00:15:19,460 have to work on me for that one I have 277 00:15:24,950 --> 00:15:22,740 looked at cutaways of the earth just 278 00:15:28,370 --> 00:15:24,960 like everybody else has since elementary 279 00:15:31,580 --> 00:15:28,380 school right we've all seen seen those 280 00:15:35,150 --> 00:15:31,590 and I've just thought in the back of my 281 00:15:37,460 --> 00:15:35,160 mind over and over again okay all right 282 00:15:40,430 --> 00:15:37,470 smart minds have put this together and 283 00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:40,440 they have the numbers have been crunched 284 00:15:44,930 --> 00:15:42,720 and the analysis has been done and to 285 00:15:48,170 --> 00:15:44,940 the best that they can put together this 286 00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:48,180 is what is going on but I'm not alluding 287 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,560 to hollow or if that's not where I'm 288 00:15:54,250 --> 00:15:51,600 going with this but what act where I'm 289 00:15:58,370 --> 00:15:54,260 going is is that we really don't know 290 00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:58,380 right we we we don't and it's part of 291 00:16:02,420 --> 00:16:00,720 what makes this planet so wonderful is 292 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:02,430 that there are things to discover and 293 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:04,110 there are things to go out there in 294 00:16:09,620 --> 00:16:07,470 research maybe one day we will we will 295 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:09,630 have all of those definitive answers and 296 00:16:14,810 --> 00:16:11,760 maybe everybody is right but that's what 297 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:14,820 makes your investigations and things out 298 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:17,610 there so much fun is that there's so 299 00:16:23,530 --> 00:16:21,050 much to learn isn't there well I 300 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:23,540 couldn't have said it better myself and 301 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:27,210 I think your point is is a good one and 302 00:16:32,270 --> 00:16:30,510 when we get to one of the episodes I'm 303 00:16:33,079 --> 00:16:32,280 going to come back and bring this up 304 00:16:34,969 --> 00:16:33,089 because 305 00:16:37,669 --> 00:16:34,979 there were some things that happened 306 00:16:39,649 --> 00:16:37,679 this season that really forced me to 307 00:16:43,969 --> 00:16:39,659 rethink a lot of things that I thought 308 00:16:46,009 --> 00:16:43,979 that I understood so yeah and and you 309 00:16:47,659 --> 00:16:46,019 know just you know I'll give you I'll 310 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:47,669 give you another example I even wrote 311 00:16:52,339 --> 00:16:49,409 one of my one of my first book I ever 312 00:16:55,309 --> 00:16:52,349 wrote on Lake Superior I guess it was 313 00:16:57,859 --> 00:16:55,319 published in 1986 I was in my early 20s 314 00:17:01,369 --> 00:16:57,869 and one of the things I talked about was 315 00:17:04,909 --> 00:17:01,379 the Bering Strait land bridge migration 316 00:17:08,779 --> 00:17:04,919 and the peopling of North America then 317 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:08,789 they went to South America merica you 318 00:17:13,609 --> 00:17:11,369 know across Panama there and then all 319 00:17:15,949 --> 00:17:13,619 the way down to South America and the 320 00:17:18,199 --> 00:17:15,959 last place that they showed up was down 321 00:17:20,239 --> 00:17:18,209 near the Strait of Magellan and guess 322 00:17:21,939 --> 00:17:20,249 what that whole theory that we all 323 00:17:25,669 --> 00:17:21,949 accepted as kids 324 00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:25,679 is it's completely throw it out the 325 00:17:30,019 --> 00:17:27,959 window and I pick up that book and I 326 00:17:32,899 --> 00:17:30,029 look at that diagram I have and I'm like 327 00:17:35,779 --> 00:17:32,909 wow I thought that was that was it and 328 00:17:38,629 --> 00:17:35,789 now we know I can just tear this page 329 00:17:41,749 --> 00:17:38,639 out and it just doesn't work anymore 330 00:17:44,269 --> 00:17:41,759 I you know when I was when I was a kid 331 00:17:46,210 --> 00:17:44,279 and I would spin the globe around and 332 00:17:49,879 --> 00:17:46,220 look at it there was a couple of things 333 00:17:53,239 --> 00:17:49,889 that stood out to me and number one the 334 00:17:55,820 --> 00:17:53,249 first thing I asked it'd I just looked 335 00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:55,830 it's like okay our planet is a bunch of 336 00:18:02,269 --> 00:17:58,320 puzzle pieces this goes here this goes 337 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:02,279 here this goes here it's obvious and the 338 00:18:09,109 --> 00:18:05,730 other part of it for me and I've heard 339 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:09,119 this sort of discussed lately but that 340 00:18:13,879 --> 00:18:11,369 at one point if everything was all put 341 00:18:19,279 --> 00:18:13,889 together then that means half of the 342 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:19,289 planet was water right right right 343 00:18:23,299 --> 00:18:21,210 if you put everything together the rest 344 00:18:26,169 --> 00:18:23,309 of the planets water and this is the 345 00:18:29,509 --> 00:18:26,179 other part that that messes with my head 346 00:18:31,789 --> 00:18:29,519 that the water part when you look at 347 00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:31,799 there's the circumference of the earth 348 00:18:38,869 --> 00:18:34,559 is 25,000 miles right or there abouts 349 00:18:44,899 --> 00:18:38,879 right plus or minus at the equator and 350 00:18:46,430 --> 00:18:44,909 at 25,000 miles the depth of the oceans 351 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:46,440 which seems D 352 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:49,890 when you're on a boat but the depth of 353 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:53,810 the oceans is nothing actually right 354 00:19:00,080 --> 00:18:56,970 look at the earth as a whole the the 355 00:19:03,290 --> 00:19:00,090 water that's around it is actually a 356 00:19:06,130 --> 00:19:03,300 very insignificant part about of what 357 00:19:09,530 --> 00:19:06,140 makes up our planet it may seem 358 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:09,540 weight-wise volume-wise absolutely and 359 00:19:15,580 --> 00:19:12,330 in fact I think in the Marianas Trench 360 00:19:18,380 --> 00:19:15,590 I think the deepest spot in the ocean is 361 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:18,390 God I forget now it's either just over 362 00:19:22,790 --> 00:19:20,460 seven miles or just over 12 miles I 363 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:22,800 can't remember but those are the deepest 364 00:19:28,670 --> 00:19:25,410 spots you know the average depth is is 365 00:19:31,820 --> 00:19:28,680 much less than that and you know yeah 366 00:19:33,500 --> 00:19:31,830 it's it's just a fraction but it sure 367 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:33,510 looks like a lot of water when you look 368 00:19:38,690 --> 00:19:35,910 at the globe but in in actuality if you 369 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:38,700 take the actual volume relative to the 370 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:42,930 volume of the of the of the rock or of 371 00:19:46,940 --> 00:19:44,610 the molten stuff and whatever's in the 372 00:19:50,660 --> 00:19:46,950 center it's just a tiny little fraction 373 00:19:56,590 --> 00:19:50,670 yeah and it's so fascinating to me to 374 00:20:00,980 --> 00:19:56,600 think about when we talk about drift and 375 00:20:02,450 --> 00:20:00,990 tectonics and what we pretty much I 376 00:20:05,420 --> 00:20:02,460 think we're all in agreement has been 377 00:20:10,130 --> 00:20:05,430 going on and and will continue to go on 378 00:20:13,730 --> 00:20:10,140 we're not done with it is this is this 379 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:13,740 is all new right this is new this is new 380 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:18,930 this is stuff that came too serious 381 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:20,850 thought in the 1950s 382 00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:23,850 wasn't really accepted in the scientific 383 00:20:32,330 --> 00:20:30,000 circles until the 70s we you know and 384 00:20:34,510 --> 00:20:32,340 and we're sitting here 2019 you would 385 00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:34,520 have thought that this is old proven 386 00:20:40,790 --> 00:20:37,830 disgust it is not we are learning new 387 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:40,800 stuff every single day aren't we well 388 00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:44,610 you know this this this this discussion 389 00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,860 we're having I can't help but think that 390 00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:49,440 some people are wondering you know how 391 00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:51,480 are they on this get on this 392 00:20:58,550 --> 00:20:54,360 philosophical rant but I have to tell 393 00:20:59,840 --> 00:20:58,560 you I love it because what you're saying 394 00:21:02,690 --> 00:20:59,850 is that 395 00:21:05,269 --> 00:21:02,700 you know I when I look back maybe 20 396 00:21:07,399 --> 00:21:05,279 years ago 30 years ago it seemed to me 397 00:21:09,739 --> 00:21:07,409 in some ways everything had been 398 00:21:12,919 --> 00:21:09,749 discovered the world had been explored 399 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:12,929 you know all the questions that that we 400 00:21:17,989 --> 00:21:15,690 had about everything was pretty much 401 00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:17,999 figured out right I remember there was a 402 00:21:22,219 --> 00:21:19,830 time in my life when I actually thought 403 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:22,229 that but the point you're making now is 404 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:25,919 spot on and I'd love to disagree with 405 00:21:30,739 --> 00:21:27,690 you you know that Jimmy but I can I 406 00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:30,749 wholeheartedly agree that it's almost 407 00:21:37,099 --> 00:21:34,679 like there is so much new thing so many 408 00:21:40,129 --> 00:21:37,109 new things that are being discovered so 409 00:21:42,409 --> 00:21:40,139 many things that we thought we knew we 410 00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:42,419 are not what we are not what we thought 411 00:21:45,289 --> 00:21:44,159 and actually are something completely 412 00:21:47,659 --> 00:21:45,299 different 413 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:47,669 I mean archaeology right now is just 414 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:49,849 literally been turned on its head and 415 00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:52,710 you know I think a lot of this dogma and 416 00:21:58,369 --> 00:21:56,159 and entrenched beliefs that people have 417 00:22:01,609 --> 00:21:58,379 you just have to just you just have to 418 00:22:03,769 --> 00:22:01,619 throw it out and now more than ever you 419 00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:03,779 have to keep an open mind and you know 420 00:22:11,239 --> 00:22:06,950 what I was alluding to before was was 421 00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:11,249 extraterrestrials and alien contact even 422 00:22:15,619 --> 00:22:13,320 a couple three years ago Jimmy I 423 00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:15,629 wouldn't have even really had any time 424 00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:18,960 to discuss it I tried I tried to get you 425 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:28,169 to discuss it and we think some of that 426 00:22:36,739 --> 00:22:33,809 money now I mind I mind is wide open I 427 00:22:39,919 --> 00:22:36,749 haven't made up my mind completely yet 428 00:22:42,259 --> 00:22:39,929 on this but to say that I'm rethinking 429 00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:42,269 it is an understatement 430 00:22:46,489 --> 00:22:44,220 now well and we're gonna get to Episode 431 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:46,499 two here in just a second okay 432 00:22:49,940 --> 00:22:48,210 let's let's we're gonna start with 433 00:22:53,749 --> 00:22:49,950 Episode one and we're gonna do that at 434 00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,759 the top of the hour I want to I want to 435 00:22:59,299 --> 00:22:55,679 ask you this very very important 436 00:23:02,960 --> 00:22:59,309 question this season season four which 437 00:23:05,299 --> 00:23:02,970 just wrapped of America on earth was was 438 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:05,309 different than the previous three 439 00:23:10,879 --> 00:23:08,369 seasons wasn't it why did you approach 440 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:10,889 it like this and what for you what makes 441 00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:13,210 it so different 442 00:23:19,530 --> 00:23:16,960 well it there's a there's there's a 443 00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:19,540 number of reasons why it's different but 444 00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,720 at the same time I think that there were 445 00:23:26,580 --> 00:23:24,640 a lot of things that were the same I 446 00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:26,590 mean you know it you know three 447 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:28,840 three-and-a-half years elapsed between 448 00:23:34,140 --> 00:23:31,810 the last episode of season three in the 449 00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,150 first episode of this and quite frankly 450 00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:36,640 I never thought the show would come back 451 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:39,430 I was you know I was happy and and 452 00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:41,170 moving on with my life and maybe you 453 00:23:43,620 --> 00:23:42,520 know do something different I never 454 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,630 thought this would happen I never 455 00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:45,760 dreamed it would happen but I'm glad 456 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:49,840 that it did and really we didn't from a 457 00:23:56,790 --> 00:23:52,450 production standpoint change things too 458 00:23:58,170 --> 00:23:56,800 much although I think that most of the 459 00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,180 people that worked on the show before 460 00:24:03,660 --> 00:24:00,640 and worked on it this year are just 461 00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:03,670 better you know I knew what I was doing 462 00:24:08,010 --> 00:24:04,960 when I went into this I mean when I 463 00:24:09,210 --> 00:24:08,020 first first you know it got started with 464 00:24:12,060 --> 00:24:09,220 American or they didn't know what the 465 00:24:14,010 --> 00:24:12,070 hell I was doing and and I just I felt 466 00:24:17,970 --> 00:24:14,020 more comfortable I don't know if that 467 00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:17,980 came across but I just felt more dialed 468 00:24:23,850 --> 00:24:20,860 in I know that we did fewer takes that 469 00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,860 we moved on and on and quite frankly I 470 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:25,840 think we were able to generate better 471 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:29,650 content in many cases because of the 472 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:31,780 experience that we had and we were able 473 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:34,750 to go on and do more things that we just 474 00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:37,510 didn't have time for before because it 475 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:40,200 took longer to get the stuff we needed 476 00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:44,490 you know the music has always been good 477 00:24:49,860 --> 00:24:48,100 you know the shows is shot beautifully I 478 00:24:50,370 --> 00:24:49,870 mean you can't say that it doesn't look 479 00:24:52,290 --> 00:24:50,380 good 480 00:24:53,820 --> 00:24:52,300 I think our graphics are great they 481 00:24:56,430 --> 00:24:53,830 really didn't change they might have 482 00:24:58,860 --> 00:24:56,440 been zipped up just a little bit but a 483 00:25:02,790 --> 00:24:58,870 lot of people have said they felt like 484 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:02,800 it did have it was definitely America on 485 00:25:08,970 --> 00:25:04,090 earth but there was something different 486 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:08,980 about it and I hope people you know feel 487 00:25:13,230 --> 00:25:11,410 that it was it was it was different but 488 00:25:16,290 --> 00:25:13,240 it was it was better than it was before 489 00:25:18,660 --> 00:25:16,300 yeah I think yeah the production value 490 00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:18,670 was definitely kicked up a notch and 491 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:21,520 that that comes with time you know it is 492 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:24,730 it's just you know yeah yeah time and 493 00:25:29,499 --> 00:25:25,970 experience 494 00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:29,509 so there's that part of it but also the 495 00:25:35,950 --> 00:25:33,500 flow of the show this isn't although it 496 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:35,960 has all of those classic Walther 497 00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:38,450 elements right we've got Templars and 498 00:25:43,379 --> 00:25:41,120 we've got you know lost treasures and 499 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:43,389 and you know we're searching for stuff 500 00:25:50,369 --> 00:25:46,610 Vikings and in all so all of that part 501 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:50,379 is in there we've got a live of the 502 00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:53,450 inscriptions and carvings and and things 503 00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:56,870 to normally investigate but then you go 504 00:26:01,149 --> 00:25:59,450 into other zones too as well and you 505 00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:01,159 started to step outside of your box 506 00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:05,990 didn't you yeah well yes I mean the the 507 00:26:11,230 --> 00:26:09,440 the thing that was most different about 508 00:26:13,869 --> 00:26:11,240 the show was some of the subjects that 509 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:13,879 we looked into and you know you say a 510 00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:16,460 little bit out of my box well I think 511 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:19,340 it's it's not so much what I think as my 512 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:23,690 box I think it's a different subject 513 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:26,210 matters and and the reason I said you 514 00:26:32,019 --> 00:26:27,529 know I know what people typically think 515 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:32,029 of the geological based investigations 516 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:34,970 but you know something Jimmy the process 517 00:26:39,999 --> 00:26:37,370 of Investigation regardless of what 518 00:26:42,610 --> 00:26:40,009 you're looking into does not change if 519 00:26:44,889 --> 00:26:42,620 you're investigating you know who made 520 00:26:48,490 --> 00:26:44,899 this inscription where did this you know 521 00:26:49,899 --> 00:26:48,500 carving come from the rune stone you're 522 00:26:52,389 --> 00:26:49,909 investigating a murder case you're 523 00:26:56,289 --> 00:26:52,399 investigating a bombing you're 524 00:26:59,049 --> 00:26:56,299 investigating Bigfoot the process is the 525 00:27:01,869 --> 00:26:59,059 same you you gather as many facts as 526 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:01,879 possible you interpret those facts and 527 00:27:07,749 --> 00:27:05,570 and it and and try to develop some ideas 528 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:07,759 as to what those facts are telling us 529 00:27:12,610 --> 00:27:10,370 and ultimately if you have enough 530 00:27:15,009 --> 00:27:12,620 evidence and you feel like you can draw 531 00:27:17,049 --> 00:27:15,019 a definitive conclusion then you do it 532 00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:17,059 and so it really doesn't matter what 533 00:27:22,090 --> 00:27:18,980 you're looking into that's the process 534 00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:22,100 of investigation that at the end of the 535 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:24,950 day is my wheelhouse I do it mostly with 536 00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:28,450 rock and concrete in my normal life but 537 00:27:33,639 --> 00:27:31,279 again it's the process that's the same 538 00:27:35,619 --> 00:27:33,649 so it really doesn't matter and actually 539 00:27:37,749 --> 00:27:35,629 I really like the idea that we stepped 540 00:27:39,420 --> 00:27:37,759 out of my wheelhouse a little bit and 541 00:27:41,310 --> 00:27:39,430 looked into some of these other 542 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:41,320 things and when we get to those few 543 00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:43,450 episodes that I'm talking about I think 544 00:27:47,850 --> 00:27:45,910 you want to talk about they were some of 545 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:47,860 my favorites and and quite frankly I 546 00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:49,930 think they were some of the best 547 00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,720 episodes and I think well I'll talk 548 00:27:57,270 --> 00:27:54,880 about one in particular where we 549 00:27:59,580 --> 00:27:57,280 actually changed the direction of our 550 00:28:02,250 --> 00:27:59,590 investigation based on evidence that we 551 00:28:05,130 --> 00:28:02,260 found during the investigation as we 552 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:05,140 were filming and I think we got it right 553 00:28:09,210 --> 00:28:06,970 in the end and that's the way it's 554 00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:09,220 supposed to work let's take a break 555 00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:11,860 right here Scott and we will come back 556 00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:16,000 with episode 1 Vikings in the desert 557 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:18,070 this is fade to black I am your host Amy 558 00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:20,500 Church Scott Wolter is here we are going 559 00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:24,460 to do an episode by episode breakdown of 560 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:27,640 the last season season 4 of America 561 00:28:32,130 --> 00:28:29,770 unearthed this is fade to black you can 562 00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:32,140 follow me on Twitter add J Turks radio 563 00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:34,180 you can follow Scott at real Scott 564 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:37,180 Wolter on Twitter he's right there I'll 565 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:38,560 be right back after this real Forex stay 566 00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:39,410 with us 567 00:29:02,560 --> 00:28:59,970 [Music] 568 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:02,570 all right welcome back beta-blocker mero 569 00:29:10,299 --> 00:29:05,769 symmetry tonight Scott Wolter is here 570 00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:10,309 now the bunker cam I actually know what 571 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:15,070 the issue is we our streaming company 572 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:19,490 did an update today and which I knew 573 00:29:26,049 --> 00:29:21,769 that this transition was going to happen 574 00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:26,059 and we were supposed to have everything 575 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:29,600 up and running for the show tonight drew 576 00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:32,570 is working on it and there you go 577 00:29:39,340 --> 00:29:36,200 okay I will I'll keep you updated as we 578 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:39,350 move along but we should be we should be 579 00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,090 solid okay and that's what it is 580 00:29:46,379 --> 00:29:44,240 okay so just everybody relax you can do 581 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:46,389 without the bunker cam for a few minutes 582 00:29:53,499 --> 00:29:50,690 okay all right videos running though and 583 00:29:56,110 --> 00:29:53,509 we'll rock solid in here so maybe we'll 584 00:29:58,330 --> 00:29:56,120 post a video of the show so you guys can 585 00:30:00,850 --> 00:29:58,340 go back and and watch it our guest is 586 00:30:04,299 --> 00:30:00,860 Scott Wolter we're doing an episode by 587 00:30:07,450 --> 00:30:04,309 episode of season 4 of America an earth 588 00:30:10,269 --> 00:30:07,460 they just wrapped and we're gonna start 589 00:30:14,049 --> 00:30:10,279 with episode 1 Vikings in the desert 590 00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,059 what's going on here Scott well that was 591 00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:16,399 an interesting episode for a number of 592 00:30:24,999 --> 00:30:19,580 reasons and you know what are the odds 593 00:30:27,129 --> 00:30:25,009 that you know somebody back and I we 594 00:30:29,499 --> 00:30:27,139 really don't know exactly when it was 595 00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:29,509 found probably back in the 60s or maybe 596 00:30:35,249 --> 00:30:32,480 even back in the 50s finds a saddlebag 597 00:30:39,820 --> 00:30:35,259 with a bunch of metal artifacts that 598 00:30:44,919 --> 00:30:39,830 actually turn out to be old Viking era 599 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:44,929 and and older artifacts in in a cache 600 00:30:50,350 --> 00:30:48,289 and the question of course is how did 601 00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:50,360 these legitimate artifacts get there and 602 00:30:56,049 --> 00:30:53,360 and this was in an area outside of 603 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:56,059 Sedona which is absolutely one of my 604 00:31:00,340 --> 00:30:58,210 favorite places in the world 605 00:31:03,970 --> 00:31:00,350 geologically it's just it's just a 606 00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:03,980 paradise it's so beautiful there but you 607 00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:06,590 know and and really you know it 608 00:31:11,529 --> 00:31:10,070 the answer is realistically one of two 609 00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:11,539 possibilities 610 00:31:18,629 --> 00:31:15,919 either somebody in you know recent times 611 00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,639 probably within the last 100 150 years 612 00:31:24,609 --> 00:31:21,200 possibly an immigrant that came from 613 00:31:27,159 --> 00:31:24,619 Northern Europe brought these artifacts 614 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:27,169 to America and somehow they got lost in 615 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:30,710 the desert certainly that's plausible 616 00:31:35,469 --> 00:31:32,809 and in fact if I had to put money down 617 00:31:38,769 --> 00:31:35,479 I'd say that's probably the more likely 618 00:31:42,219 --> 00:31:38,779 scenario however the other possibility 619 00:31:44,979 --> 00:31:42,229 is maybe maybe there were explorers that 620 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:44,989 came here during the Viking era and made 621 00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:48,049 their way to the desert Southwest now 622 00:31:53,379 --> 00:31:51,769 it's a you know at first blush I'll be 623 00:31:56,529 --> 00:31:53,389 the first one to say that sounds like a 624 00:31:59,349 --> 00:31:56,539 stretch however you know again we talked 625 00:32:01,359 --> 00:31:59,359 about it just just when you think that 626 00:32:05,109 --> 00:32:01,369 you you you think you know what's going 627 00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:05,119 on and this is gotta be what's what 628 00:32:11,289 --> 00:32:09,320 happened you're proven wrong and so you 629 00:32:12,999 --> 00:32:11,299 have to keep an open mind about these 630 00:32:16,239 --> 00:32:13,009 things so that's what we did we looked 631 00:32:18,430 --> 00:32:16,249 at and said okay if the Vikings did make 632 00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:18,440 it here how the heck could they have 633 00:32:24,249 --> 00:32:21,470 gotten here and I think we we laid out 634 00:32:26,919 --> 00:32:24,259 the most plausible scenario coming down 635 00:32:30,219 --> 00:32:26,929 the west coast probably after going 636 00:32:31,869 --> 00:32:30,229 through the Northwest Passage around the 637 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:31,879 Bering Strait land bridge we were just 638 00:32:37,210 --> 00:32:34,369 talking about Alaska and then down the 639 00:32:39,489 --> 00:32:37,220 coast around Baja and then up into the 640 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:39,499 Salton Sea where there just happens to 641 00:32:47,409 --> 00:32:42,769 be a legend of a Viking ship that was 642 00:32:50,379 --> 00:32:47,419 seen back around 1900 so you know that's 643 00:32:53,349 --> 00:32:50,389 the premise and we were actually given 644 00:32:55,419 --> 00:32:53,359 access to that incredible audio tape 645 00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,429 that you heard of a first-hand witness 646 00:32:59,379 --> 00:32:56,960 that told him what I thought was a very 647 00:33:02,739 --> 00:32:59,389 compelling story that was cool as hell 648 00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:02,749 to listen to for the first time and and 649 00:33:07,299 --> 00:33:04,820 then go down to Baja and see that 650 00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:07,309 incredible petroglyph of what sure 651 00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:09,590 looked like a ship to me and what sure 652 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:12,470 looked like a Viking ship and then 653 00:33:17,289 --> 00:33:14,809 talking about the oral aural stories of 654 00:33:21,789 --> 00:33:17,299 the indigenous people I mean very 655 00:33:24,250 --> 00:33:21,799 plausible did it prove it no but it 656 00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:24,260 certainly left the door wide open 657 00:33:31,690 --> 00:33:29,120 and you know it's it's it wasn't it was 658 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:31,700 it was a lot of fun and what were the 659 00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,450 artifacts 660 00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:34,640 well Russian hasn't answered yeah what 661 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:37,460 were the artifacts well there was 662 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:40,550 actually probably about a dozen 663 00:33:45,550 --> 00:33:43,130 artifacts that I saw I don't know if she 664 00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:45,560 had all of them with her but actually 665 00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:47,150 they were broken up into three different 666 00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:50,470 groups there was Viking era artifacts 667 00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:53,390 from you know the 10th 11th century 668 00:33:58,990 --> 00:33:55,700 there were artifacts from the 7th and 669 00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,000 8th centuries and there were Roman era 670 00:34:04,780 --> 00:34:02,000 artifacts going back to like the 4th 671 00:34:06,610 --> 00:34:04,790 century 3rd and 4th centuries so really 672 00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:06,620 what you had was a collection of 673 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:09,830 artifacts that spanned you know almost a 674 00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:13,130 thousand years in time so you know they 675 00:34:18,820 --> 00:34:16,399 weren't all from one site they were a 676 00:34:21,220 --> 00:34:18,830 collection and you know I think some 677 00:34:23,139 --> 00:34:21,230 people would you know your mind automate 678 00:34:26,830 --> 00:34:23,149 well it's probably a modern-day 679 00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,840 collector well you know people back back 680 00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,879 in medieval times and before that they 681 00:34:33,879 --> 00:34:30,800 collected things - I don't think human 682 00:34:36,129 --> 00:34:33,889 beings practices and and things that we 683 00:34:38,590 --> 00:34:36,139 do are any different now than they were 684 00:34:40,270 --> 00:34:38,600 back in history so they could have been 685 00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:40,280 collected back during the Viking era 686 00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:41,990 they could have been collected in the 687 00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:43,929 18th or 19th centuries we don't know 688 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:49,280 it's it's very interesting and the when 689 00:34:57,070 --> 00:34:52,970 we look at the Vikings in in a general 690 00:34:59,860 --> 00:34:57,080 sense most unless you are a hardcore 691 00:35:02,140 --> 00:34:59,870 historian and study these things most 692 00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:02,150 people don't know that the Vikings made 693 00:35:08,770 --> 00:35:06,800 it to Paris they made it to the Middle 694 00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,780 East - and they didn't sail there they 695 00:35:13,210 --> 00:35:10,400 traveled along the rivers and they 696 00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,220 walked over with and I think you know a 697 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:15,200 lot of people automatically assume when 698 00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,850 you think of the Vikings they think well 699 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:19,040 the guys that sailed across the oceans 700 00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:21,290 and that they were navigators well they 701 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:24,020 were but like other cultures and and 702 00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:26,690 other explorers and Marauders they 703 00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:29,720 travelled overland just as well so you 704 00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:32,480 know it and the other the other way they 705 00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:33,830 could have gotten there has come up 706 00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:36,830 through the the Gulf of Mexico the Rio 707 00:35:40,359 --> 00:35:37,910 Grande River 708 00:35:42,099 --> 00:35:40,369 you get pretty darn close to where those 709 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:42,109 artifacts were found and they could have 710 00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,089 walked up there I mean it's very 711 00:35:48,970 --> 00:35:47,599 plausible at this point we just don't 712 00:35:50,529 --> 00:35:48,980 have enough evidence to draw a 713 00:35:50,890 --> 00:35:50,539 definitive conclusion one way or the 714 00:35:57,099 --> 00:35:50,900 other 715 00:35:58,779 --> 00:35:57,109 episode 2 alien artifacts okay let me 716 00:36:02,170 --> 00:35:58,789 ask you a question Jim you watched that 717 00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:02,180 episode yes okay and if you didn't 718 00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:05,180 that's okay I'll take it I saw parts of 719 00:36:10,089 --> 00:36:07,250 it I did of course it's called alien 720 00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:10,099 artifacts so yes well if that doesn't 721 00:36:13,539 --> 00:36:11,780 get your attention I don't know what we 722 00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:13,549 all huh that's right okay so what's your 723 00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:17,150 question okay my question is first off 724 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:20,480 what did you think when I called those 725 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:22,130 guys out on that first batch of 726 00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:23,930 artifacts do you remember when I went 727 00:36:28,059 --> 00:36:25,940 through there and I told them not just 728 00:36:31,150 --> 00:36:28,069 that I didn't think the artifacts were 729 00:36:33,279 --> 00:36:31,160 legitimate but as I always try to do is 730 00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:33,289 tell them why I don't think the 731 00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:36,470 illegitimate and yes I do remember that 732 00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:40,880 and this is this is where and I and the 733 00:36:48,730 --> 00:36:44,569 tension right the tension that was there 734 00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:48,740 when we get into this zone it's one 735 00:36:55,809 --> 00:36:52,520 thing to talk about Vikings or the 736 00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,819 Phoenicians right that's you know we're 737 00:37:00,670 --> 00:36:57,920 talking about a terrestrial situation 738 00:37:03,099 --> 00:37:00,680 that we can identify with when you get 739 00:37:07,539 --> 00:37:03,109 into alien artifacts and you are in 740 00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:07,549 possession of this you are automatically 741 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:10,880 in a defensive position because you 742 00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:14,930 can't prove anything you can't right and 743 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:17,750 so that's that's where the tension will 744 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:20,569 are you know it will always be there the 745 00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:22,730 and then there's the third element to 746 00:37:28,750 --> 00:37:25,670 this I think that everybody it doesn't 747 00:37:30,940 --> 00:37:28,760 matter if you're a skeptic or or not or 748 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:30,950 what side of the fence you are on about 749 00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:34,910 et visiting earth we know that we are 750 00:37:40,990 --> 00:37:38,480 not alone you can't go into that zone 751 00:37:44,529 --> 00:37:41,000 and say and be that ignorant that we are 752 00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:44,539 the only thing in the universe okay so 753 00:37:50,289 --> 00:37:48,529 now so we've got that problem where we 754 00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:50,299 know that we're not alone I mean that is 755 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:51,710 just completely ignorant 756 00:37:57,130 --> 00:37:55,130 think that so we throw all of these in 757 00:37:59,770 --> 00:37:57,140 together and then you want to call 758 00:38:01,150 --> 00:37:59,780 somebody out well it's a it's a it's a 759 00:38:03,790 --> 00:38:01,160 tough position to be in 760 00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:03,800 right okay so take us through this I 761 00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:06,080 describe to everybody what these 762 00:38:12,670 --> 00:38:09,380 artifacts are well the first group of 763 00:38:16,839 --> 00:38:12,680 artifacts were brought to me by a group 764 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:16,849 of guys that are from Mexico and they're 765 00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:18,530 they're part of a group called the Jack 766 00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:20,900 detectors and they took me out in the 767 00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:22,430 jungle and they showed me a site where 768 00:38:25,810 --> 00:38:23,720 they said that they collected these 769 00:38:27,790 --> 00:38:25,820 these artifacts and there was three of 770 00:38:30,609 --> 00:38:27,800 them that they showed me two of them 771 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:30,619 were sort of flat carved stones maybe a 772 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:34,130 little bit bigger than your palm one was 773 00:38:38,410 --> 00:38:36,410 of a spaceship another one was a an 774 00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:38,420 alien looking creature kind of tucked 775 00:38:47,470 --> 00:38:42,320 inside of a vicita spices vertical 776 00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:47,480 almond shaped pod or I don't know what 777 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:50,420 it was but that was and then the third 778 00:38:55,690 --> 00:38:52,730 artifact quite frankly looked like a 779 00:38:59,710 --> 00:38:55,700 phallic to me and it was it was made of 780 00:39:02,800 --> 00:38:59,720 soapstone and it had sort of a ball at 781 00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:02,810 the top of a rod shaped thing and and it 782 00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:05,599 was carved in the shape of the head of 783 00:39:11,770 --> 00:39:08,540 an alien and I mean it just it just 784 00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:11,780 looked hokey from the get-go well anyway 785 00:39:15,790 --> 00:39:13,910 so I go out into the field and I went 786 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:15,800 into these caves or they said they found 787 00:39:20,589 --> 00:39:17,930 them and I remembered I look at the 788 00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,599 artifacts before we went out and and I'm 789 00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,880 always looking at you know like the the 790 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:25,040 sediment that's in the groups because 791 00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,810 these things are that where they were 792 00:39:30,460 --> 00:39:28,880 packed with dirt right mm-hmm and I 793 00:39:32,260 --> 00:39:30,470 remembered what the dirt looked like and 794 00:39:34,930 --> 00:39:32,270 then when I was in the cave I said to 795 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:34,940 myself well one thing that we can do to 796 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:37,760 check the veracity of their story is to 797 00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:40,010 see if the dirt in these little crevices 798 00:39:42,730 --> 00:39:42,200 they said yeah we pulled it right out of 799 00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:42,740 there 800 00:39:51,849 --> 00:39:49,609 dirt on the stones and it didn't so 801 00:39:54,460 --> 00:39:51,859 right from the get-go there's a problem 802 00:39:56,050 --> 00:39:54,470 there now just because it didn't match 803 00:39:58,300 --> 00:39:56,060 doesn't mean that they're lying that 804 00:40:00,250 --> 00:39:58,310 they didn't come from there they could 805 00:40:02,349 --> 00:40:00,260 have found artifacts that came and were 806 00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:02,359 dirtied up somewhere else or came from 807 00:40:06,859 --> 00:40:04,680 another location and were put there 808 00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:06,869 and they found somebody else's practical 809 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:10,079 joke but clearly they didn't match and 810 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:11,849 they weren't even close and they 811 00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:14,490 accepted that but then the thing that 812 00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:17,460 really and then I showed them you know 813 00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:19,859 what I thought was evidence of a modern 814 00:40:26,359 --> 00:40:22,619 tooling on you know that phallic 815 00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:26,369 artifact and then the one I earned it 816 00:40:33,859 --> 00:40:27,750 around and I showed them and you could 817 00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:33,869 clearly see the letters you F oh I mean 818 00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:37,680 it and they looked at that and they just 819 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:40,260 said hey and I asked him I said hey guys 820 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:41,730 is there something going on here you 821 00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:44,010 want to tell me about like you know are 822 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:45,569 you guys playing some type of a joke 823 00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,450 with me and you know I have to say what 824 00:40:51,019 --> 00:40:50,520 you saw on cameras exactly the way it 825 00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:51,029 was 826 00:40:57,740 --> 00:40:54,720 they said Scott you're an expert we 827 00:41:00,980 --> 00:40:57,750 asked you here to tell us the truth and 828 00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:00,990 if you say these are fake we believe you 829 00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:02,940 and we thank you for coming here and 830 00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:05,099 taking the time and telling us the truth 831 00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:07,500 and it was such a heartfelt thing Jimmy 832 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:10,710 I I almost felt bad but I didn't about 833 00:41:15,319 --> 00:41:13,049 you know punching him out a little bit 834 00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:15,329 but you know I had to you know because 835 00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:17,910 clearly they weren't authentic and I I 836 00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:21,599 will say this and I you know I'll never 837 00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:23,339 probably never see those guys again I 838 00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,140 would tell you if I thought they were 839 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:27,599 involved I don't think they were I think 840 00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:29,490 they honestly found something that 841 00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:32,569 somebody else put there I went through 842 00:41:41,180 --> 00:41:35,430 this is a few years ago I went through 843 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:41,190 about oh I'm going to take a rough guess 844 00:41:47,539 --> 00:41:44,210 here I'm gonna say I looked at about 40 845 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:47,549 different artifacts from Mexico that 846 00:42:00,170 --> 00:41:54,650 were found in this cave and they looked 847 00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:00,180 okay to my eyes this is me they looked 848 00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:04,049 too perfect in that the representations 849 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:06,420 that are on this I held a knife all 850 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:08,730 right this ceremonial knife and the 851 00:42:16,849 --> 00:42:12,450 knife was about I don't know two feet 852 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:16,859 foot and a half long very ornate with 853 00:42:23,900 --> 00:42:19,530 these crazy 854 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:23,910 Stone teeth on on the night but on the 855 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:26,850 hilt of the knife is a perfect alien 856 00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:31,290 head just like we see today in the 857 00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:33,630 movies right with the with the eyes and 858 00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:37,140 the face almond-shaped elongate head 859 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:38,160 right right 860 00:42:45,350 --> 00:42:41,970 and so they sand all that the guy that 861 00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:45,360 had this who's a radio host in in Mexico 862 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:48,240 he's a very cool guy he had told me said 863 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:49,890 well you know we've had this analyzed 864 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:52,050 and and the dirt and the organic 865 00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:55,170 material and the grooves here with the 866 00:43:01,880 --> 00:42:59,370 glue that was that is huge to hold this 867 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:01,890 together is fifteen thousand years old 868 00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,090 and and I was like okay well and I'm 869 00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:07,680 holy I'm like this doesn't look like 870 00:43:11,830 --> 00:43:09,510 it's fifteen thousand years old this 871 00:43:15,110 --> 00:43:11,840 thing looks like it was made yesterday 872 00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:15,120 and and and I went through a bunch of 873 00:43:24,980 --> 00:43:19,980 stuff well anyway he sent me some videos 874 00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:24,990 of them going on an expedition with the 875 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:28,710 guys this team that is going to the 876 00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:30,690 secret location in this mountain that 877 00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:33,720 where he got the artifacts from and they 878 00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:38,310 spend spending like a day maybe even two 879 00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:41,150 days on this hike through the jungle 880 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:44,700 machetes no trail no road right they 881 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:48,450 park and they are going into the jungle 882 00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,210 right right hacking their way through 883 00:43:57,350 --> 00:43:53,880 they finally get to the site and they go 884 00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:57,360 into this cave and deep in and they're 885 00:44:01,340 --> 00:43:58,980 this is like two days into the 886 00:44:03,590 --> 00:44:01,350 expedition they're sweating then they 887 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:03,600 get down into this cave where there are 888 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:06,960 guys archaeologists that are in there 889 00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:10,410 digging and they're pulling stuff up or 890 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:13,680 pulling stuff up live on camera that is 891 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:17,610 you know in in in the dirt in the mud 892 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:19,410 and they're pulling this stuff out 893 00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:22,530 cleaning it up and and it's alien heads 894 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:25,710 you know like crazy sculptures and 895 00:44:31,310 --> 00:44:29,730 things of human sitting with with alien 896 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:31,320 heads at their feet you know they're 897 00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:32,010 pulling this 898 00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:34,680 and cleaning it up and taking out of 899 00:44:43,099 --> 00:44:39,200 this cave system now I was picturing 900 00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:43,109 some you know some production room 901 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:46,260 somewhere some factory that is cranking 902 00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,210 this stuff out where you've got a bunch 903 00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:49,920 of people around doing this stuff with 904 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:53,790 dremel you know and creating this stuff 905 00:45:02,300 --> 00:44:57,930 and if this is a hoax they are going to 906 00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:02,310 great lengths you know machete their way 907 00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:05,369 through the jungle to this cave system 908 00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:08,100 when they could if that you know they 909 00:45:14,359 --> 00:45:11,820 could find an easier way to to put 910 00:45:16,609 --> 00:45:14,369 together a cave expedition than what was 911 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:16,619 presented in this video it looked gnarly 912 00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:19,170 to me well anyway if you're gonna put a 913 00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:22,260 hoax together this is certainly pretty 914 00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:26,430 elaborate I don't I don't know what to 915 00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:28,710 make of it there and so I just saw they 916 00:45:38,359 --> 00:45:32,280 sent me a video recently and the 917 00:45:40,609 --> 00:45:38,369 sculpture Scott was it had to have been 918 00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:40,619 if I'm gonna make a guesstimate here I'm 919 00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:42,240 gonna say a half a ton 920 00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:49,350 it was probably five feet tall of some 921 00:45:55,340 --> 00:45:53,040 kind of stone I don't know 922 00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:55,350 you know agate I don't I don't know some 923 00:46:00,320 --> 00:45:58,410 kind of marble stone it was in color 924 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:00,330 I've seen a lot of them that are made of 925 00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:02,850 jadeite and and I'll get into that 926 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:04,680 because I'm actually looking at a whole 927 00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:07,050 host of these artifacts right now yes 928 00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:09,030 that were sent to me that that were 929 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:11,940 found and you're describing the exact 930 00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:15,930 same type of situation that that that 931 00:46:20,109 --> 00:46:18,060 I'm actually talking with some people 932 00:46:22,370 --> 00:46:20,119 about right now they've sent me videos 933 00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:22,380 but not only did what are they pulling 934 00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:25,560 out artifacts there's got skeletons 935 00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:29,430 there yes okay so let me do a video let 936 00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:32,430 me let me continue and then off the air 937 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:36,960 we'll we'll cross check names and stuff 938 00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:40,770 we may be talking about it could be it 939 00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:44,940 could be the same but I maybe not anyway 940 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:45,900 go ahead 941 00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:49,050 in this in this last video they've got a 942 00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:53,520 pickup truck with this giant statue in 943 00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:55,710 the back of the truck it's all roped up 944 00:47:01,610 --> 00:46:58,680 with ropes it's tied down I'm gonna say 945 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:01,620 it's a seated figure some kind of king 946 00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:03,930 or God or whatever he seated and it's 947 00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:06,660 probably four or five feet tall four 948 00:47:13,610 --> 00:47:11,280 three four feet wide and and and deep so 949 00:47:15,140 --> 00:47:13,620 when I say a half a ton I don't know you 950 00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:15,150 know this is marble I don't know how 951 00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,160 much it weighs but I'm looking at you 952 00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:19,920 know eight yeah eight nine ten guys 953 00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:21,960 struggling to get this out of the back 954 00:47:26,810 --> 00:47:23,400 of the truck and they put it on the 955 00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:26,820 ground and it's still roped up but the 956 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:30,480 camera which is high-def goes over the 957 00:47:39,110 --> 00:47:34,970 entire sculpture and it is it's aged 958 00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:39,120 it's cracked it's it's not like the 959 00:47:41,330 --> 00:47:40,470 artifacts that well it hasn't been 960 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:41,340 cleaned up yet 961 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:43,410 but you could tell as the cameras going 962 00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:46,290 over it with the cracks and stuff that 963 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:49,260 are in it if it was just carved then 964 00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:51,240 somehow they carved the cracks into a 965 00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:54,480 two and made it look old but that being 966 00:48:08,750 --> 00:48:00,240 said on this on this sculpture clearly 967 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:08,760 are aliens flying saucers et the solar 968 00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:11,970 system the universe star pattern star 969 00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:14,310 maps all over this thing 970 00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:17,430 front to back the seated figure is there 971 00:48:25,730 --> 00:48:20,720 but the rest of it it is it's ornately 972 00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:25,740 covered with these references to ET now 973 00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:27,960 I I can I don't know I don't know what 974 00:48:32,330 --> 00:48:30,180 to make of what I am looking at here 975 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:32,340 because if you're gonna fake it 976 00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:34,890 III don't know how it could be faked I'm 977 00:48:41,780 --> 00:48:38,550 assuming out of the gate like you that 978 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:41,790 this is some something modern but it 979 00:48:46,310 --> 00:48:44,610 looks old and I don't know I don't know 980 00:48:49,570 --> 00:48:46,320 what's going on it's all coming from the 981 00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:49,580 same region the same mountain in Mexico 982 00:48:55,940 --> 00:48:53,400 well you know I don't know if it's the 983 00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:55,950 same stuff I will tell you this I have 984 00:49:07,550 --> 00:48:59,640 been approached by one too 985 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:07,560 three four five six different groups not 986 00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:10,170 related not connected in any way shape 987 00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:12,660 or form from six different parts of 988 00:49:19,460 --> 00:49:16,470 Mexico and we're talking covering all 989 00:49:25,580 --> 00:49:19,470 over the map and they're coming up with 990 00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:25,590 stuff that is similar but not the same 991 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:28,020 although you know it's it's weird 992 00:49:32,060 --> 00:49:30,330 because there's a some you know a couple 993 00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:32,070 of the groups are pulling out artifacts 994 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:36,360 that are very similar in style in size 995 00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,690 in what's being depicted you know the 996 00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:42,000 artwork has sort of a similarity to it 997 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:43,950 but then there's other areas where 998 00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:46,290 they're just like this this one area 999 00:49:50,810 --> 00:49:48,420 that I'm working on now they're pulling 1000 00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:50,820 out artifacts that are made of this 1001 00:49:58,460 --> 00:49:56,190 beautiful green jadeite and some of the 1002 00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:58,470 pieces are pulling out you talk about 1003 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:01,500 this statue that weighs half a ton one 1004 00:50:03,860 --> 00:50:03,510 of the pieces they have is twelve feet 1005 00:50:07,850 --> 00:50:03,870 tall 1006 00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:07,860 it weighs several tons and it's the same 1007 00:50:16,330 --> 00:50:12,480 thing they can't even move it and like I 1008 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:16,340 said these they've sent me videos I 1009 00:50:21,110 --> 00:50:18,570 don't know what to make of it either and 1010 00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:21,120 and and they're all covered with these 1011 00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:22,950 alien you know these scenes of these 1012 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:24,780 aliens there's rituals 1013 00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,770 there's symbols that are carved on them 1014 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:30,960 that looked like a language but I don't 1015 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:33,090 know what the hell it is and it's it's 1016 00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,490 it's not a language because and I'll 1017 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:36,720 tell you there's another group of 1018 00:50:42,590 --> 00:50:40,770 artifacts that I have drawn these little 1019 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:42,600 symbols that cover these things all over 1020 00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:46,170 them and I have drawn over a thousand 1021 00:50:57,550 --> 00:50:51,480 symbols a thousand not one repeat not 1022 00:51:02,030 --> 00:50:57,560 one okay I want you to go to Twitter and 1023 00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:02,040 check out what has just been posted I 1024 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:05,550 think I'm not sure here but I think I 1025 00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:07,290 took these pictures I think that's my 1026 00:51:13,410 --> 00:51:11,880 hand in these images I've just retweeted 1027 00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:13,420 it you can see the knife 1028 00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:15,220 the ceremonial knife that I was talking 1029 00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:20,980 about and got the guys sitting on the 1030 00:51:26,610 --> 00:51:23,920 you know in a sitting position yes on 1031 00:51:29,580 --> 00:51:26,620 the hilt yeah the hand there's laid on 1032 00:51:33,870 --> 00:51:29,590 the end yeah and then there's a sort of 1033 00:51:37,980 --> 00:51:33,880 a pinkish colour variegated yep blade 1034 00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:37,990 with the sort of light greenish colour 1035 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:40,600 teeth on it yep and I've held this in my 1036 00:51:45,690 --> 00:51:43,690 hand and like I said this is about it's 1037 00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:45,700 about two feet long it's huge 1038 00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:49,590 right yep and now that that figure that 1039 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:52,420 yeah that that the the figure that 1040 00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:54,610 you're seeing there's that's an alien 1041 00:52:01,680 --> 00:51:59,680 head yes yeah you know at the hilt and I 1042 00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:01,690 looking at some of these other pieces 1043 00:52:05,730 --> 00:52:03,970 like there's a I see you've got the 1044 00:52:08,130 --> 00:52:05,740 arrow there and then you have the P to 1045 00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:08,140 see the symbols on that force P yep yep 1046 00:52:14,910 --> 00:52:11,200 yep that's the exact same kind of stuff 1047 00:52:17,310 --> 00:52:14,920 I'm talking about now imagine I have 1048 00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:17,320 drawn now if you look at these I'll bet 1049 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:18,910 you anything if you look closely at 1050 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:21,010 these symbols you will not find anything 1051 00:52:24,450 --> 00:52:22,810 that repeats in fact I'm looking at it 1052 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:24,460 now and I don't see anything that 1053 00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:26,890 repeats some of them are very similar 1054 00:52:32,610 --> 00:52:29,820 but they're not the same I've got a book 1055 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:32,620 with over a thousand of these symbols on 1056 00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:33,970 various artifacts 1057 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:37,540 none of them repeat not one now if I go 1058 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:40,330 to the second set of images where I'm 1059 00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:45,130 holding the hilt there's a second set 1060 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:49,030 and you can see that right there I'm 1061 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:53,650 holding it up to the camera and and let 1062 00:52:57,210 --> 00:52:55,570 me get this retweeted you may not be 1063 00:53:00,320 --> 00:52:57,220 seeing it hold on for a second I don't 1064 00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:00,330 see it okay just I saw the first group 1065 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:04,060 we can yeah yeah hold on for a second 1066 00:53:13,620 --> 00:53:08,770 real real Scott troublemaker there it is 1067 00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:13,630 I got you okay alright and I'm posting 1068 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:17,170 these up here now yeah so check it check 1069 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:22,930 it out you've got it now and and you can 1070 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:26,410 see it yeah now see that's that's the 1071 00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:26,890 help me 1072 00:53:31,220 --> 00:53:29,230 see this guy sitting now and see what 1073 00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:31,230 would this actually is it's pretty crazy 1074 00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:37,440 now no you know what Jim I've seen 1075 00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,150 hundreds of these you see them do you 1076 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:42,160 see the pipe and I have a bunch of them 1077 00:53:46,859 --> 00:53:43,930 here and I'm studying them right now I 1078 00:53:49,230 --> 00:53:46,869 it's the same imagery exact same stuff 1079 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:49,240 in fact it almost looks like the same 1080 00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:51,130 artist but there's no way one person 1081 00:53:56,910 --> 00:53:54,640 could do all these now these these 1082 00:54:00,359 --> 00:53:56,920 smaller pieces and even that big blade 1083 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:00,369 you're talking about that stuff is 1084 00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:03,130 actually a zeolite mineral and it's a 1085 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:05,049 secondary mineral that grows inside a 1086 00:54:10,620 --> 00:54:07,930 volcanic rock and I know it's volcanic 1087 00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:10,630 rock because I've seen pictures of where 1088 00:54:16,140 --> 00:54:13,240 they come from up in these mountains and 1089 00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:16,150 it's mostly rhyolite and intermediate 1090 00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,720 and felsic volcanic and that's where 1091 00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:22,720 this zeolite the secondary zeolite what 1092 00:54:30,029 --> 00:54:27,849 it does is it fills fractures and they 1093 00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:30,039 must be mining them out or weathers out 1094 00:54:34,049 --> 00:54:32,230 the stuff ends up on the ground and then 1095 00:54:37,499 --> 00:54:34,059 they polish it they carve these these 1096 00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:37,509 these artifacts and there's no way to 1097 00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:39,670 date the rock 1098 00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:41,920 I'm sure the rock is millions of years 1099 00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,319 old but it lends itself to these 1100 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:46,960 carvings because it's somewhat soft but 1101 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:51,130 yet it's hard enough to you know to hold 1102 00:54:58,019 --> 00:54:55,210 the carvings and and you know I think 1103 00:55:02,249 --> 00:54:58,029 these things are incredible artwork yeah 1104 00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:02,259 I know I know they are but well I I do 1105 00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:04,329 because at the end of the episode if you 1106 00:55:16,829 --> 00:55:11,880 if you recall our guest you know mark 1107 00:55:19,170 --> 00:55:16,839 I'll just leave it at mark tested you 1108 00:55:21,809 --> 00:55:19,180 know the glue from this one artifact and 1109 00:55:24,329 --> 00:55:21,819 he got ninety two hundred years and then 1110 00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:24,339 i retested the glue from a different 1111 00:55:29,549 --> 00:55:27,400 part of the same artifact and got almost 1112 00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:29,559 the same test result and if you watch 1113 00:55:36,990 --> 00:55:33,089 the episode when I got that test result 1114 00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:37,000 I you know I knew the result that he got 1115 00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:39,880 but for some reason I just it didn't 1116 00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:40,990 really 1117 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:46,660 in real life I'm like well yeah okay 1118 00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:50,530 we'll listen why Scott I gotta take a 1119 00:55:58,260 --> 00:55:52,960 break right here wait I gotta do it I 1120 00:56:00,030 --> 00:55:58,270 gotta do it we'll be we'll be right back 1121 00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:00,040 with Scott Wolter this is fade to black 1122 00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:38,330 [Music] 1123 00:56:46,020 --> 00:56:43,859 welcome back fade to black I'm your 1124 00:56:49,710 --> 00:56:46,030 signature tonight Scott Wolter is here 1125 00:56:53,579 --> 00:56:49,720 or doing a season four breakdown episode 1126 00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:53,589 by episode of America on earth now we 1127 00:56:58,319 --> 00:56:55,569 were just talking about who totally got 1128 00:57:00,750 --> 00:56:58,329 to Episode two alien artifacts and we've 1129 00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:00,760 got so much more to cover Scott but I 1130 00:57:08,819 --> 00:57:04,240 want to finish our thoughts when you get 1131 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:08,829 to 9,000 year old blue how if it's a 1132 00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:11,770 hoax how do you pull that off you said 1133 00:57:17,099 --> 00:57:14,460 that that didn't change your mind well 1134 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:17,109 all I can say is is it got my attention 1135 00:57:22,290 --> 00:57:20,530 big time and I mean like I said before 1136 00:57:25,020 --> 00:57:22,300 I'm not ready to say that these things 1137 00:57:27,809 --> 00:57:25,030 are authentic the question now becomes 1138 00:57:29,970 --> 00:57:27,819 okay can you fake that could that be 1139 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:29,980 part of this whole process of faking it 1140 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:32,170 and the answer is I think it's possible 1141 00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:34,690 but you still have to prove it now one 1142 00:57:40,589 --> 00:57:36,420 of the ways that it could be faked is 1143 00:57:43,049 --> 00:57:40,599 you could take a mammoth bone right it's 1144 00:57:45,150 --> 00:57:43,059 Pleistocene an age nine thousand year 1145 00:57:47,819 --> 00:57:45,160 old mammoth absolutely is it hard to get 1146 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:47,829 not really and you pulverize it and you 1147 00:57:52,500 --> 00:57:50,650 mix it with an it a modern adhesive you 1148 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:52,510 might be able to get that date I don't 1149 00:57:56,250 --> 00:57:54,010 even know if you can do that but in 1150 00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:56,260 theory that makes sense to me the 1151 00:58:03,390 --> 00:57:59,200 problem with that is if you're using a 1152 00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,400 modern organic based adhesive you mix 1153 00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:05,920 with this bone we should be able to tell 1154 00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:08,049 the difference that is something I plan 1155 00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:10,540 on doing so you know hold that thought 1156 00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:13,569 until we get there but until I prove to 1157 00:58:20,359 --> 00:58:17,680 myself that this is not faked I'm not 1158 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:20,369 ready to say they're authentic but man 1159 00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:23,410 like I said before I am paying attention 1160 00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:25,480 big time and it demands further 1161 00:58:30,809 --> 00:58:27,910 investigation because what's at stake 1162 00:58:33,780 --> 00:58:30,819 Jim if these things indeed are that old 1163 00:58:36,450 --> 00:58:33,790 and they were made by some indigenous 1164 00:58:38,370 --> 00:58:36,460 culture back at that time I mean you've 1165 00:58:41,339 --> 00:58:38,380 seen the imagery that's on them and the 1166 00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:41,349 iconography my god it's unmistakable 1167 00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:44,049 that there is alien contact with humans 1168 00:58:51,150 --> 00:58:46,660 being depicted is that what it means I 1169 00:58:51,630 --> 00:58:51,160 don't know man but it's it's rocked my 1170 00:58:52,970 --> 00:58:51,640 world 1171 00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,980 there isn't a 1172 00:59:01,970 --> 00:58:55,200 there's a factory somewhere cranking 1173 00:59:04,010 --> 00:59:01,980 this stuff out if you know you don't 1174 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:04,020 we're not ready to draw that conclusion 1175 00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:07,770 yet no we just don't know you've hit the 1176 00:59:13,340 --> 00:59:09,780 nail on the head there's a factory 1177 00:59:18,430 --> 00:59:13,350 either back then or now right no matter 1178 00:59:21,290 --> 00:59:18,440 what they were cranking this stuff out I 1179 00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:21,300 held like I said I went through about 40 1180 00:59:29,090 --> 00:59:26,640 pieces and it was just it's too much you 1181 00:59:32,570 --> 00:59:29,100 know for your brain to handle you know I 1182 00:59:34,340 --> 00:59:32,580 move far man man man yeah well you know 1183 00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:34,350 the last thing I'll say on this is I 1184 00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:37,260 have seen probably over a thousand of 1185 00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:39,240 these pieces now well I have seen over a 1186 00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:41,880 thousand and and your brain does kind of 1187 00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:44,910 say yeah tap the brakes Man III right 1188 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:47,400 right which I can't deal with this but 1189 00:59:51,530 --> 00:59:49,410 that that's your brain doing that that's 1190 00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,540 that doesn't necessarily mean it's 1191 00:59:57,380 --> 00:59:54,480 reality we have to you know kind of pull 1192 01:00:00,440 --> 00:59:57,390 pull ourselves up and you know take a 1193 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:00,450 step back and what I always do is I 1194 01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:02,490 always revert to the science let's draw 1195 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:04,710 us let's get some facts here let's see 1196 01:00:08,690 --> 01:00:06,210 if we can figure this thing out because 1197 01:00:10,790 --> 01:00:08,700 if we just let our minds run I mean 1198 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:10,800 it'll go all over the place and you can 1199 01:00:15,140 --> 01:00:12,570 you can run yourself into these dark 1200 01:00:17,770 --> 01:00:15,150 shadows or these corners there's no way 1201 01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:17,780 out you just got to take a step back 1202 01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:20,280 revert to the science and let's see what 1203 01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:22,740 see we can figure out well of course and 1204 01:00:29,620 --> 01:00:26,910 you would have you would think that with 1205 01:00:34,330 --> 01:00:29,630 artifacts like this in such quantity 1206 01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:34,340 that this would have been exposed 1207 01:00:40,330 --> 01:00:36,990 there's there's way too much of it 1208 01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:40,340 there's way too much of it there was a 1209 01:00:45,470 --> 01:00:42,390 manures there were a couple of 1210 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:45,480 situations like this I forget the priest 1211 01:00:50,890 --> 01:00:49,050 that was in Colombia he had the same 1212 01:00:53,570 --> 01:00:50,900 issue 1213 01:00:55,310 --> 01:00:53,580 yeah it'll come to as soon as we hang up 1214 01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:55,320 I would write both of us but I know 1215 01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:58,740 father right 1216 01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:01,740 I'd be assembled a collection of 1217 01:01:10,089 --> 01:01:05,880 artifacts mm I old and my just 1218 01:01:14,660 --> 01:01:10,099 incredible stuff plates huge sheets of 1219 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:14,670 inscribed copper and silver and just 1220 01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:17,130 strange text on them yeah nobody's been 1221 01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:18,510 able to figure out because there are 1222 01:01:24,260 --> 01:01:21,510 pictures that survived oh my god what's 1223 01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:24,270 his name I know exactly yeah and and and 1224 01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:26,040 they never found out who made those 1225 01:01:34,490 --> 01:01:30,630 stuff and and I forget and hint you know 1226 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:34,500 thousands of pieces then like his house 1227 01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:37,290 burned down and everything was lost you 1228 01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,180 know we have the photographs okay no 1229 01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,040 what happened is the Catholic Church 1230 01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,440 took the stuff right it ended a point of 1231 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:45,359 the Vatican is what happened but he 1232 01:01:49,970 --> 01:01:47,730 didn't reveal all this stuff and what 1233 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:49,980 happened was he was sent down there into 1234 01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,530 the jungles and he befriended the the 1235 01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:54,720 local indigenous people and the Chiefs 1236 01:01:59,690 --> 01:01:57,660 you know grew to trust him and so they 1237 01:02:01,730 --> 01:01:59,700 would go into the you know they would 1238 01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:01,740 send his people into these caves and 1239 01:02:05,570 --> 01:02:03,510 into the jungles and they would come 1240 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:05,580 back with these these these amazing 1241 01:02:11,570 --> 01:02:07,050 artifacts and they would give them to 1242 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:11,580 him and he stockpiled them over over 1243 01:02:17,390 --> 01:02:14,730 several decades in fact I have talked to 1244 01:02:19,790 --> 01:02:17,400 people that went down there and met him 1245 01:02:22,790 --> 01:02:19,800 and saw these artifacts before the 1246 01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:22,800 Vatican came and took them and they said 1247 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:27,359 he was a wonderful guy and he the 1248 01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,730 artifacts are amazing that if some of 1249 01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:31,920 them were made of gold some of them were 1250 01:02:35,930 --> 01:02:32,880 made of silver 1251 01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:35,940 they were just incredible and they had 1252 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:39,119 ancient texts and I remember some of the 1253 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:41,730 iconography was very Egyptian like and 1254 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:44,010 you also see some of the iconography on 1255 01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:46,650 these alien artifacts for lack of a 1256 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:48,150 better you know whatever what are we 1257 01:02:52,190 --> 01:02:49,890 going to call them that also has 1258 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:52,200 Egyptian iconography it's incredible 1259 01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:54,330 yeah and some of that looks like some of 1260 01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:57,000 the crop circles too as well father 1261 01:03:01,970 --> 01:02:59,940 Crespi's but some of the designs and 1262 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:01,980 that father's work is some of the 1263 01:03:07,820 --> 01:03:04,730 artwork is incredible father Crespi 1264 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:07,830 recipe that's it yep father trust me yep 1265 01:03:12,350 --> 01:03:10,010 right all right speaking of caves 1266 01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:12,360 episode 3 cave of sea 1267 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:14,040 I didn't see this episode what happened 1268 01:03:20,740 --> 01:03:16,890 there oh that was a great one actually 1269 01:03:23,420 --> 01:03:20,750 that was Chris Courtney was a guy who 1270 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:23,430 contacted us actually rate at the end of 1271 01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:26,730 season three and we didn't have we don't 1272 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:28,740 we you know what happened we thought we 1273 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:30,330 were going to get a season four and then 1274 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:32,130 they sold h2 and that was the end of 1275 01:03:36,530 --> 01:03:34,770 that but he was a guy we were going to 1276 01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:36,540 do that episode and season four back 1277 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:38,220 then and obviously the show didn't 1278 01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:40,650 continue so we had to put it off but 1279 01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:42,780 when when we got renewed that was one of 1280 01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:45,420 the K at one of the episodes that we 1281 01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:47,160 wanted to do so we did and basically 1282 01:03:51,980 --> 01:03:50,400 when he was 12 years old he was in the 1283 01:03:53,540 --> 01:03:51,990 backyard of the house that he was living 1284 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:53,550 in at the time and he was chasing a 1285 01:03:58,370 --> 01:03:56,250 salamander went down a hole and he 1286 01:04:01,850 --> 01:03:58,380 pulled a rock out and he realized there 1287 01:04:03,980 --> 01:04:01,860 was a cave there that had an entrance 1288 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:03,990 with steps that had been mortared in 1289 01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:06,690 this thing had been crafted by man that 1290 01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:09,870 led down into a natural cave a limestone 1291 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:11,640 cave just like we were talking about 1292 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:16,890 earlier and you know he was 12 years old 1293 01:04:23,060 --> 01:04:19,490 at the time he's in his mid-50s now and 1294 01:04:27,170 --> 01:04:23,070 he just wanted to know who made this 1295 01:04:30,290 --> 01:04:27,180 what was it used for I it's bothered me 1296 01:04:32,330 --> 01:04:30,300 my whole life I can you help me so if 1297 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:32,340 you watch the episode what we what we 1298 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:36,690 look into is that probably during you 1299 01:04:43,010 --> 01:04:38,730 know Neolithic times it was probably 1300 01:04:47,930 --> 01:04:43,020 used as a shelter for early indigenous 1301 01:04:51,650 --> 01:04:47,940 people and a source of water later on it 1302 01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:51,660 was probably used during the Whiskey 1303 01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:56,040 Rebellion to get fresh water and maybe 1304 01:05:00,110 --> 01:04:58,650 hide hide whiskey that was one of the 1305 01:05:02,510 --> 01:05:00,120 thoughts that we had because the Whiskey 1306 01:05:05,060 --> 01:05:02,520 Rebellion and Shippensburg Pennsylvania 1307 01:05:07,790 --> 01:05:05,070 certainly was alive and well there later 1308 01:05:11,030 --> 01:05:07,800 on we looked into the whole idea of the 1309 01:05:13,850 --> 01:05:11,040 Underground Railroad that maybe slaves 1310 01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:13,860 that were escaping from the south we're 1311 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:15,390 hiding out in this cave at least 1312 01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:19,650 temporarily and you know we really don't 1313 01:05:25,310 --> 01:05:22,050 pretty deep into that and then the other 1314 01:05:26,330 --> 01:05:25,320 thing that we looked into was could it 1315 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:26,340 have been used 1316 01:05:33,740 --> 01:05:31,530 part of a ritual chamber for a masonic 1317 01:05:36,700 --> 01:05:33,750 like organization called the Knights of 1318 01:05:38,540 --> 01:05:36,710 the Golden Eagle and the reason we 1319 01:05:41,630 --> 01:05:38,550 looked into the Knights of the Golden 1320 01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:41,640 Eagle is because Chris about a month and 1321 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:44,190 a half after he found this cave actually 1322 01:05:50,540 --> 01:05:47,130 found a Masonic medal for the Knights of 1323 01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:50,550 the Golden Eagle so we looked into that 1324 01:05:57,170 --> 01:05:53,640 and a couple of really cool things 1325 01:05:58,910 --> 01:05:57,180 happened one is we met some people some 1326 01:06:02,930 --> 01:05:58,920 older folks that were moving out of a 1327 01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:02,940 house that back in the you know the 1328 01:06:09,230 --> 01:06:07,680 mid-1800s there was a family that lived 1329 01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:09,240 there that had a young daughter who 1330 01:06:14,810 --> 01:06:11,910 would bring food when she was 12 years 1331 01:06:16,790 --> 01:06:14,820 old she would cross this field and then 1332 01:06:18,890 --> 01:06:16,800 cross a river to these caves on the 1333 01:06:20,930 --> 01:06:18,900 other side of the river not the Courtney 1334 01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:20,940 cave but these other caves that I 1335 01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:23,280 actually went and visited where slaves 1336 01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:25,440 did hide out and she would bring food to 1337 01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,190 them and you know I mean if you stop and 1338 01:06:33,710 --> 01:06:30,960 think about it that was heroic because 1339 01:06:35,660 --> 01:06:33,720 if the family would have been caught 1340 01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,670 they could have been killed for 1341 01:06:40,550 --> 01:06:37,920 harboring slaves and for helping them 1342 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:40,560 because it was against the law the other 1343 01:06:46,270 --> 01:06:42,570 thing that was really cool is I got to 1344 01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:46,280 meet a woman named Valerie still who 1345 01:06:52,790 --> 01:06:49,680 actually played in the WNBA she played 1346 01:06:55,550 --> 01:06:52,800 over in Europe professionally university 1347 01:06:57,500 --> 01:06:55,560 at Kentucky grad just a phenomenal 1348 01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,510 basketball player but she is a 1349 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:00,000 descendant of a guy by the name of 1350 01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:03,450 William still who worked with Harriet 1351 01:07:09,110 --> 01:07:06,450 Tubman helping slaves escape from the 1352 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:09,120 south and he was the guy who would 1353 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:11,610 record all the information about these 1354 01:07:17,300 --> 01:07:13,650 slaves when they came in it would record 1355 01:07:19,850 --> 01:07:17,310 their names their physical features any 1356 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:19,860 any historical information who their 1357 01:07:26,210 --> 01:07:22,170 owners were were you know what counties 1358 01:07:29,090 --> 01:07:26,220 they came from and we took valerie and 1359 01:07:32,860 --> 01:07:29,100 we went to the Pennsylvania Historical 1360 01:07:37,210 --> 01:07:32,870 Society and the curator pulled out an 1361 01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:37,220 original copy written in Valerie's 1362 01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:39,609 ancestors own hand 1363 01:07:43,799 --> 01:07:41,859 and on the top of one of the pages he 1364 01:07:46,259 --> 01:07:43,809 opened it - it said Harriet Tubman 1365 01:07:49,499 --> 01:07:46,269 brought these you know these escaped 1366 01:07:51,959 --> 01:07:49,509 slaves in and she's reading this and as 1367 01:07:55,529 --> 01:07:51,969 we were filming this Jim we're all 1368 01:07:59,009 --> 01:07:55,539 weeping it was so powerful and so 1369 01:08:02,069 --> 01:07:59,019 emotional I I you know I think it came 1370 01:08:04,829 --> 01:08:02,079 across a little bit on television but 1371 01:08:06,690 --> 01:08:04,839 they really toned it down I mean there 1372 01:08:09,509 --> 01:08:06,700 wasn't a dry eye in the house it was 1373 01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:09,519 really one of one of the most magical 1374 01:08:15,989 --> 01:08:13,150 moments of any any episode we ever 1375 01:08:17,070 --> 01:08:15,999 filmed now I did see I did see pieces of 1376 01:08:22,169 --> 01:08:17,080 this episode 1377 01:08:25,289 --> 01:08:22,179 now that you've reminded me and what my 1378 01:08:30,209 --> 01:08:25,299 memory says is the cave was in two 1379 01:08:36,089 --> 01:08:30,219 sections one was modern right with with 1380 01:08:37,709 --> 01:08:36,099 modern steps and and it yeah the top up 1381 01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:37,719 at the entrance and then in the back 1382 01:08:47,309 --> 01:08:43,259 half of the cave it it it was untouched 1383 01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:47,319 but it's natural it was natural at this 1384 01:08:51,660 --> 01:08:50,080 particular time this past year I mean 1385 01:08:52,919 --> 01:08:51,670 they had all kinds of rain we're still 1386 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:52,929 getting all kinds of rain in the Midwest 1387 01:08:59,010 --> 01:08:55,810 here and it was flooded worse than it's 1388 01:09:02,339 --> 01:08:59,020 ever been and in the end what we what we 1389 01:09:03,930 --> 01:09:02,349 concluded right was that the that the 1390 01:09:05,999 --> 01:09:03,940 cave was probably used for multiple 1391 01:09:08,430 --> 01:09:06,009 things over the over the centuries right 1392 01:09:10,649 --> 01:09:08,440 right but it definitely was used because 1393 01:09:14,669 --> 01:09:10,659 there was actually a building that used 1394 01:09:17,660 --> 01:09:14,679 to exist over it so it was hidden and we 1395 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:17,670 think it was used for initiation rituals 1396 01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,770 for the Knights of the Golden Eagle and 1397 01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:23,440 when I learned more about their rituals 1398 01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:25,839 now remember this is not a sanctioned 1399 01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:28,239 body it's not a true Masonic body 1400 01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:30,880 sanctioned by the Grand Lodge this is 1401 01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,369 sort of an offshoot that you know 1402 01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:35,440 obviously some of these guys were Masons 1403 01:09:42,899 --> 01:09:38,319 and they they base their rituals pretty 1404 01:09:45,030 --> 01:09:42,909 closely to to Masonic ritual but it fit 1405 01:09:48,030 --> 01:09:45,040 perfectly and I and because of that 1406 01:09:50,669 --> 01:09:48,040 metal it turned out one of the founders 1407 01:09:52,930 --> 01:09:50,679 of the Knights of the Golden Eagle used 1408 01:09:56,020 --> 01:09:52,940 to live in that house on 1409 01:09:58,060 --> 01:09:56,030 property so to me that was conclusive 1410 01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:58,070 evidence along with the metal and the 1411 01:10:02,320 --> 01:09:59,600 fact that there was a house to hide 1412 01:10:04,930 --> 01:10:02,330 these guys activities inside the 1413 01:10:07,540 --> 01:10:04,940 building and in the cave where they were 1414 01:10:11,140 --> 01:10:07,550 they had their in this their their 1415 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:11,150 initial initiation so that was a cool 1416 01:10:18,010 --> 01:10:14,890 episode yeah it was a cool episode and 1417 01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:18,020 I'm a little bit jealous you know with 1418 01:10:21,790 --> 01:10:19,970 the courtney cave in that when I was 1419 01:10:26,890 --> 01:10:21,800 growing up I never found anything like 1420 01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:26,900 that in my backyard but Chris Chris was 1421 01:10:31,570 --> 01:10:29,840 a great guest and we ended up having the 1422 01:10:34,450 --> 01:10:31,580 final scene where I delivered all the 1423 01:10:38,170 --> 01:10:34,460 information to him near the mason-dixon 1424 01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:38,180 line at a distillery and I had to 1425 01:10:43,690 --> 01:10:41,060 deliver my lines drinking beautiful 1426 01:10:46,060 --> 01:10:43,700 scotch whisky and I it was really tough 1427 01:10:49,810 --> 01:10:46,070 tough sledding but I got through it I'm 1428 01:10:52,660 --> 01:10:49,820 still looking I want to buy a house here 1429 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:52,670 in in Los Angeles I want to buy a house 1430 01:10:59,500 --> 01:10:54,890 that's got a bomb shelter you know from 1431 01:11:02,350 --> 01:10:59,510 the 50s I mean there's all of these 1432 01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:02,360 story this urban legend you know about 1433 01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:05,270 how many homes here you know in the 1434 01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:07,760 suburbs of Los Angeles that come 1435 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:10,310 equipped with a bomb shelter I haven't 1436 01:11:16,060 --> 01:11:12,410 found it yet but man how cool would that 1437 01:11:18,220 --> 01:11:16,070 be right in a sure there's some strange 1438 01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:18,230 stuff going on in LA we hit those 1439 01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:20,930 basements down there man we don't have a 1440 01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:22,910 basement I'm sure I'm sure there's a lot 1441 01:11:27,310 --> 01:11:25,040 more than anybody realizes you know we 1442 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:27,320 don't have basements in California isn't 1443 01:11:33,130 --> 01:11:31,130 that crazy you don't need no in in in 1444 01:11:35,260 --> 01:11:33,140 the Midwest or through the entire 1445 01:11:38,890 --> 01:11:35,270 country every house has got a basement 1446 01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:38,900 family room whatever not here in 1447 01:11:45,220 --> 01:11:41,110 California they don't exist there are 1448 01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:45,230 basements basement right now and when 1449 01:11:49,630 --> 01:11:47,120 and the nice thing is when it's really 1450 01:11:51,340 --> 01:11:49,640 hot in the summertime you come down here 1451 01:11:56,170 --> 01:11:51,350 oh my god it's beautiful 1452 01:11:58,030 --> 01:11:56,180 yeah and cool yeah episode four though 1453 01:12:01,360 --> 01:11:58,040 right which one was that the Ripper 1454 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:01,370 unmasked oh yeah this is one of those 1455 01:12:05,980 --> 01:12:04,010 different episodes that was kind of as 1456 01:12:10,830 --> 01:12:05,990 you would say out of our wheelhouse but 1457 01:12:13,690 --> 01:12:10,840 I thought I thought we had a really cool 1458 01:12:17,230 --> 01:12:13,700 suspect somebody who was very famous I'm 1459 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:17,240 not saying that we got it right but I 1460 01:12:22,660 --> 01:12:20,410 think we made a really strong case and 1461 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:22,670 you know there is something that 1462 01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:24,890 happened during the making of that 1463 01:12:30,970 --> 01:12:27,920 episode that has to do with Freemasonry 1464 01:12:33,820 --> 01:12:30,980 then even now I still can't go into too 1465 01:12:35,950 --> 01:12:33,830 many details but what I will tell you is 1466 01:12:40,540 --> 01:12:35,960 that when I first interviewed the 1467 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:40,550 Freedmen's at their house in Long Island 1468 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:43,850 and they laid out their theory about who 1469 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:46,730 they thought Jack the Ripper was it's 1470 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:49,850 one of the things they focus on focused 1471 01:12:57,670 --> 01:12:54,650 on as physicians was the rooms that the 1472 01:13:00,040 --> 01:12:57,680 Ripper created on the victims during you 1473 01:13:04,330 --> 01:13:00,050 know the murders that he committed and 1474 01:13:08,710 --> 01:13:04,340 all I'm going to tell you is that there 1475 01:13:11,730 --> 01:13:08,720 was a pattern of something that is 1476 01:13:15,820 --> 01:13:11,740 connected to Freemasonry that I 1477 01:13:17,890 --> 01:13:15,830 recognized the problem is it's one of 1478 01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:17,900 the few things that we are not allowed 1479 01:13:25,180 --> 01:13:21,310 to talk about so I can't talk about it 1480 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:25,190 but I was so torn because the 1481 01:13:30,340 --> 01:13:28,130 investigator in me wanted to run with 1482 01:13:32,890 --> 01:13:30,350 that because it was a what did what it 1483 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:32,900 told me is that the Ripper was a 1484 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:37,610 freemason and what's interesting is our 1485 01:13:44,740 --> 01:13:42,410 suspect was a freemason in 1880 and I 1486 01:13:46,510 --> 01:13:44,750 got a man I want to make sure you get my 1487 01:13:48,910 --> 01:13:46,520 numbers right because similar dates 1488 01:13:51,340 --> 01:13:48,920 happen in another episode but let's just 1489 01:13:52,980 --> 01:13:51,350 say the murders happen in 1886 and I 1490 01:13:56,350 --> 01:13:52,990 don't remember if that's right or not 1491 01:14:00,490 --> 01:13:56,360 but our suspect became was raised as a 1492 01:14:02,590 --> 01:14:00,500 freemason the year before he was a Mason 1493 01:14:06,270 --> 01:14:02,600 that year when the murders happened and 1494 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:06,280 then the year after he left masonry 1495 01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:11,090 interesting and yeah do you with and 1496 01:14:18,130 --> 01:14:13,000 I've done a few Jack the Ripper shows 1497 01:14:21,970 --> 01:14:18,140 here and be fight I'm not going to go 1498 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:21,980 into those details but the the Jack the 1499 01:14:28,540 --> 01:14:24,410 Ripper case you would you know it's 1500 01:14:30,910 --> 01:14:28,550 modern enough where we we know the names 1501 01:14:32,770 --> 01:14:30,920 of the victims we have the locations we 1502 01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:32,780 have all kinds of evidence and 1503 01:14:41,230 --> 01:14:35,840 everything it's it's an insane case to 1504 01:14:45,250 --> 01:14:41,240 have gone unsolved you know what it is 1505 01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:45,260 and I'll tell you the one thing that 1506 01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:47,870 would solve that case is obviously DNA 1507 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:51,020 right right because there are some 1508 01:14:58,090 --> 01:14:55,130 pretty well known usual suspects and 1509 01:15:00,130 --> 01:14:58,100 it's not a long list and I think that 1510 01:15:03,550 --> 01:15:00,140 there are some really good can including 1511 01:15:07,420 --> 01:15:03,560 including ours good candidates and if we 1512 01:15:10,900 --> 01:15:07,430 had DNA from any of those victims 1513 01:15:13,150 --> 01:15:10,910 you know surely they must have left his 1514 01:15:16,210 --> 01:15:13,160 own DNA somewhere on those victims or 1515 01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:16,220 his victims DNA would be somewhere in on 1516 01:15:22,060 --> 01:15:19,760 his clothing or or something but that 1517 01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:22,070 technology and and that science just 1518 01:15:27,130 --> 01:15:25,730 didn't exist at that time it did it's a 1519 01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,140 shame and we just don't have any 1520 01:15:31,660 --> 01:15:29,840 artifacts left I mean you know there was 1521 01:15:33,460 --> 01:15:31,670 a kidney that was sent to the police for 1522 01:15:38,380 --> 01:15:33,470 crying out well why didn't somebody say 1523 01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:38,390 that you know right yeah I check the 1524 01:15:45,700 --> 01:15:41,920 ripper for for me is not only 1525 01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:45,710 fascinating but I think this is this is 1526 01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:48,110 this is my take I don't think they they 1527 01:15:52,420 --> 01:15:50,450 ever wanted that case solved not 1528 01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,430 publicly I think that they know not the 1529 01:15:57,220 --> 01:15:54,560 media yeah it was the biggest media 1530 01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:57,230 friend who was more a news person and 1531 01:16:02,980 --> 01:16:00,560 and magazines and articles I mean you 1532 01:16:04,990 --> 01:16:02,990 know and and it's kind of sad on one 1533 01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:05,000 hand but you know you look what's 1534 01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:08,210 happening today I mean the media is all 1535 01:16:12,900 --> 01:16:10,760 over every word the president says every 1536 01:16:16,090 --> 01:16:12,910 candidate says every you know 1537 01:16:19,330 --> 01:16:16,100 legislature I mean it's too much you 1538 01:16:20,980 --> 01:16:19,340 know but there's so much money involved 1539 01:16:23,710 --> 01:16:20,990 and back then it really wasn't any 1540 01:16:25,780 --> 01:16:23,720 different it was it was different but it 1541 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:25,790 was the same yeah no you're right about 1542 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:28,010 that III think it's a cover-up 1543 01:16:33,730 --> 01:16:31,610 I do that's I I think that they knew 1544 01:16:38,130 --> 01:16:33,740 exactly who it was and it was different 1545 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:38,140 times in a different place and somebody 1546 01:16:42,460 --> 01:16:40,730 somebody got away with it because they 1547 01:16:44,650 --> 01:16:42,470 could and I don't know if it was the 1548 01:16:47,820 --> 01:16:44,660 monarchy that was involved or if his 1549 01:16:51,610 --> 01:16:47,830 politicians or money or or you know 1550 01:16:54,490 --> 01:16:51,620 extremely wealthy families I just think 1551 01:16:57,340 --> 01:16:54,500 that they knew I think that it's a it's 1552 01:17:00,760 --> 01:16:57,350 a cover-up and and somebody got clean 1553 01:17:02,830 --> 01:17:00,770 away with it that's my take that's why 1554 01:17:04,420 --> 01:17:02,840 it's unsolved somebody clearly got away 1555 01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:04,430 with murder there's no question about 1556 01:17:10,090 --> 01:17:07,520 that was you know was it some did he did 1557 01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:10,100 that person get help I I don't know 1558 01:17:15,550 --> 01:17:13,520 enough about all of it to say but they 1559 01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:15,560 clearly got away with it and it really 1560 01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:17,930 makes you makes you wonder if it was our 1561 01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:22,130 guy he went on to live many more years 1562 01:17:27,700 --> 01:17:24,050 after that and had a very successful 1563 01:17:30,340 --> 01:17:27,710 career Arthur Conan Doyle guy that wrote 1564 01:17:32,110 --> 01:17:30,350 the Sherlock Holmes mysteries he was our 1565 01:17:34,510 --> 01:17:32,120 guy but I'll tell you what if you look 1566 01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:34,520 into his history there's some awful 1567 01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:37,280 fishy stuff that we didn't go into into 1568 01:17:43,210 --> 01:17:39,890 the show that actually makes him even 1569 01:17:45,700 --> 01:17:43,220 more interesting so I don't know whoever 1570 01:17:49,380 --> 01:17:45,710 it was he got away with it there you go 1571 01:17:55,570 --> 01:17:49,390 now when we come back Phoenicians in 1572 01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:55,580 America and you know what I had a I had 1573 01:18:01,200 --> 01:17:58,640 a friend I had a co-worker this is many 1574 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:01,210 years ago many years ago 15 years ago 1575 01:18:06,910 --> 01:18:04,850 where you know and I'm all fascinated 1576 01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:06,920 with these subjects and and this guy he 1577 01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:11,440 looked at me he goes I'm a Phoenician 1578 01:18:18,370 --> 01:18:13,490 okay all right 1579 01:18:21,580 --> 01:18:18,380 and he said we invented everything we 1580 01:18:24,460 --> 01:18:21,590 invented boats and shipping and language 1581 01:18:26,620 --> 01:18:24,470 and writing and married before everybody 1582 01:18:29,180 --> 01:18:26,630 else Phoenicians were the start of it 1583 01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:29,190 all we knew everything about this planet 1584 01:18:36,170 --> 01:18:31,890 and with there's something to be said 1585 01:18:39,230 --> 01:18:36,180 for that exactly exactly and he was he 1586 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:39,240 deadpanned me right in the eyes 1587 01:18:50,060 --> 01:18:48,570 I'm a phoenician our guest is Scott 1588 01:18:53,090 --> 01:18:50,070 Wolter we're doing an episode by episode 1589 01:18:55,340 --> 01:18:53,100 of season 4 of America on earth it just 1590 01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:55,350 wrapped more when we come back with 1591 01:19:00,680 --> 01:18:56,880 Scott after this short break stay with 1592 01:19:10,450 --> 01:19:08,399 [Music] 1593 01:19:12,609 --> 01:19:10,460 welcome back fade to black our guest 1594 01:19:14,649 --> 01:19:12,619 tonight Scott Wolter one of our favorite 1595 01:19:18,010 --> 01:19:14,659 favorite friends of the show we are 1596 01:19:22,209 --> 01:19:18,020 doing an episode by episode recap of 1597 01:19:23,919 --> 01:19:22,219 season four of America on earth and this 1598 01:19:25,569 --> 01:19:23,929 is the deal see every time that Scott's 1599 01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:25,579 on the show he's like I can't talk about 1600 01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:27,199 it to me you gotta wait I can't talk 1601 01:19:32,379 --> 01:19:29,449 about it you can't talk about a Jimmy 1602 01:19:35,169 --> 01:19:32,389 gotta wait well not tonight tonight 1603 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:35,179 Scott agreed with me everything 1604 01:19:41,100 --> 01:19:37,250 everything will get answered tonight and 1605 01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:41,110 we're gonna jump to episode five of 1606 01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:43,489 America on earth which is phoenicians in 1607 01:19:51,010 --> 01:19:46,000 America now before we get to that Scott 1608 01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:51,020 hasn't everybody I mean America the 1609 01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:54,050 Americas have been visited by everybody 1610 01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:56,690 right we've got evidence of Egyptians 1611 01:20:04,450 --> 01:20:01,280 and Vikings and of course the Templars 1612 01:20:06,370 --> 01:20:04,460 and and the possibility of you know 1613 01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:06,380 maybe even you know from Polynesia may 1614 01:20:13,450 --> 01:20:12,320 and Asia did that that we it was visited 1615 01:20:17,709 --> 01:20:13,460 by everybody 1616 01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:17,719 why not the Phoenicians right well the 1617 01:20:24,879 --> 01:20:20,690 Phoenicians were here I firmly believe 1618 01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:24,889 that and you know we've said this for a 1619 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:26,719 long time that there were cultures 1620 01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:28,610 coming from all over the world visiting 1621 01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:31,250 here and we've explored just about every 1622 01:20:39,069 --> 01:20:35,920 culture coming here over millennia and 1623 01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:39,079 you know I I just don't understand 1624 01:20:44,169 --> 01:20:41,090 although I don't hear the complaining 1625 01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:44,179 and the pushback like we used to even in 1626 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:46,880 the you know the the six seven years 1627 01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:49,010 that we have been doing this show the 1628 01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:51,590 pushback is it's gotten more quiet 1629 01:20:55,810 --> 01:20:54,170 because I think we're going back to what 1630 01:20:58,180 --> 01:20:55,820 you and I were talking about there are 1631 01:21:00,069 --> 01:20:58,190 so many new things that are coming out a 1632 01:21:01,689 --> 01:21:00,079 lot of what we thought about that 1633 01:21:04,350 --> 01:21:01,699 doesn't have anything to do with history 1634 01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:04,360 it has to do with other stuff it's just 1635 01:21:10,890 --> 01:21:08,000 been turned on its head so I I think 1636 01:21:13,450 --> 01:21:10,900 that these this old idea that you know 1637 01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:13,460 you know there was a fence around the 1638 01:21:17,689 --> 01:21:15,650 continent nobody could get in nobody got 1639 01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:17,699 out it's just ridiculous and 1640 01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:20,760 I think more and more people and and and 1641 01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:22,410 I've said this a long time ago I said 1642 01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:24,780 look I'm not going to go in and try to 1643 01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:26,520 change the minds of people that won't 1644 01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:27,960 listen and change their mind the 1645 01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,050 scholars their minds are made up but 1646 01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:32,880 I'll tell you what if enough people out 1647 01:21:38,419 --> 01:21:36,090 there just everyday people ask the 1648 01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:38,429 question well this makes sense to me 1649 01:21:41,959 --> 01:21:39,600 what's the matter with you guys 1650 01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:41,969 eventually they're going to have to come 1651 01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:44,400 around if enough public pressure is put 1652 01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,530 on to them they're gonna have to put you 1653 01:21:50,750 --> 01:21:47,760 know they're gonna have to do way with 1654 01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:50,760 their stodgy outdated ideas and I think 1655 01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:52,500 that's starting to happen I really do 1656 01:22:00,760 --> 01:21:57,780 now when it comes to we're gonna get to 1657 01:22:03,620 --> 01:22:00,770 the phoenicians in just a second but 1658 01:22:06,620 --> 01:22:03,630 when we look at the Mediterranean and 1659 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:06,630 and we know that the Romans and the 1660 01:22:13,550 --> 01:22:11,130 Greeks were were boating around shipping 1661 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:13,560 around trading all over the 1662 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:17,730 Mediterranean there isn't any well 1663 01:22:23,959 --> 01:22:20,610 there's sort of some and I just watched 1664 01:22:25,939 --> 01:22:23,969 a amazing documentary about this about 1665 01:22:28,459 --> 01:22:25,949 the Egyptians it's one thing on the Nile 1666 01:22:30,650 --> 01:22:28,469 did they build boats forget about the 1667 01:22:35,090 --> 01:22:30,660 movie Cleopatra and how she you know 1668 01:22:40,850 --> 01:22:35,100 cruised into Rome but the real evidence 1669 01:22:42,860 --> 01:22:40,860 of seafaring ships built by the 1670 01:22:44,959 --> 01:22:42,870 Egyptians that were cruising around the 1671 01:22:48,370 --> 01:22:44,969 Mediterranean that gets a little bit 1672 01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:48,380 sketchy if you follow the dogma of 1673 01:22:56,030 --> 01:22:53,040 historians Xena but when it comes to the 1674 01:22:59,330 --> 01:22:56,040 Straits of Gibraltar and and heading out 1675 01:23:02,900 --> 01:22:59,340 into the Atlantic is there any evidence 1676 01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:02,910 of Romans and Greeks and and and 1677 01:23:09,650 --> 01:23:05,580 possibly the Egyptians getting out into 1678 01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:09,660 the Atlantic and heading west well to be 1679 01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:13,050 honest with you I really don't know if 1680 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:15,690 if we have any tangible evidence like a 1681 01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:19,290 shipwreck or written records but but 1682 01:23:23,180 --> 01:23:20,850 actually I think there are some written 1683 01:23:27,290 --> 01:23:23,190 written records that could be and have 1684 01:23:31,810 --> 01:23:27,300 been interpreted that way you know they 1685 01:23:36,679 --> 01:23:31,820 I'm trying to think of the mandaeans 1686 01:23:39,589 --> 01:23:36,689 were known to follow the star America 1687 01:23:43,850 --> 01:23:39,599 which is Venus when it's an evening star 1688 01:23:45,949 --> 01:23:43,860 and I think that that tradition carried 1689 01:23:49,429 --> 01:23:45,959 on and you have to remember back in 1690 01:23:52,569 --> 01:23:49,439 those days if if you had knowledge of a 1691 01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:52,579 place where you could go to get amazing 1692 01:23:59,390 --> 01:23:56,280 resources and in the you know that the 1693 01:24:03,469 --> 01:23:59,400 the obvious one is the copper that was 1694 01:24:05,569 --> 01:24:03,479 layin around the Great Lakes region here 1695 01:24:09,290 --> 01:24:05,579 where I live I mean it's still laying on 1696 01:24:11,709 --> 01:24:09,300 the ground copper was extremely valuable 1697 01:24:14,060 --> 01:24:11,719 back in those days in fact it had 1698 01:24:18,199 --> 01:24:14,070 antibacterial properties it was it was 1699 01:24:21,709 --> 01:24:18,209 easy to to use it was malleable and it 1700 01:24:24,020 --> 01:24:21,719 was it was valuable and you know if you 1701 01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:24,030 had a source of it it were you could 1702 01:24:28,489 --> 01:24:25,679 just go and pick it up and you didn't 1703 01:24:32,060 --> 01:24:28,499 have to mine it and it was 99.9% pure 1704 01:24:34,459 --> 01:24:32,070 are you gonna tell anyone and I think 1705 01:24:37,100 --> 01:24:34,469 it's I think it's it's pretty well 1706 01:24:39,739 --> 01:24:37,110 established that you know these secrets 1707 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:39,749 to sailing on the open oceans and the 1708 01:24:44,659 --> 01:24:42,090 technology and the knowledge that they 1709 01:24:47,449 --> 01:24:44,669 had to be able to do it was was very 1710 01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:47,459 tightly held I mean because that was 1711 01:24:53,089 --> 01:24:50,880 powerful it was valuable and so that's 1712 01:24:55,699 --> 01:24:53,099 but it also creates a problem for 1713 01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:55,709 historians today because they didn't 1714 01:24:59,659 --> 01:24:57,570 just write it down and said yeah we went 1715 01:25:02,560 --> 01:24:59,669 over here and we did this and we did it 1716 01:25:05,659 --> 01:25:02,570 this way and here's how we navigated 1717 01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:05,669 that stuff was held very tightly it was 1718 01:25:12,379 --> 01:25:09,510 it was ultra high you know top secret so 1719 01:25:15,799 --> 01:25:12,389 but it presents a real challenge for us 1720 01:25:17,239 --> 01:25:15,809 but I don't have any doubts at all that 1721 01:25:22,339 --> 01:25:17,249 they were able to do it and that they 1722 01:25:27,109 --> 01:25:22,349 did it and and what tips things over 1723 01:25:31,429 --> 01:25:27,119 because when we talk about Spain or 1724 01:25:34,549 --> 01:25:31,439 Portugal or the United Kingdom this is 1725 01:25:39,169 --> 01:25:34,559 all the modern era this is when I say 1726 01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:39,179 modern you know 1400 1500 1600 that's a 1727 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:42,650 different technology in a different era 1728 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:46,010 and we're getting into industrial and 1729 01:25:53,229 --> 01:25:50,810 and an accurate smelting and and menorah 1730 01:25:55,260 --> 01:25:53,239 mean mechanical ideas and navigation 1731 01:25:58,030 --> 01:25:55,270 things started to come into play there 1732 01:26:00,580 --> 01:25:58,040 what we are talking about with Anthony's 1733 01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:00,590 life it was beginning yeah right yeah 1734 01:26:03,879 --> 01:26:02,090 but when we're talking about the 1735 01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:03,889 Phoenicians or we're talking about the 1736 01:26:10,540 --> 01:26:06,560 ancient Greeks or Romans where we're 1737 01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:10,550 getting into a timetable now that starts 1738 01:26:16,839 --> 01:26:13,070 to get pretty crazy but even for the 1739 01:26:20,830 --> 01:26:16,849 Greeks that didn't happen until 200 BC 1740 01:26:23,709 --> 01:26:20,840 100 BC same thing for the Romans 1741 01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:23,719 you know Greece Greece being founded I'm 1742 01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:25,310 staying on Greece for a reason 1743 01:26:32,620 --> 01:26:28,639 going into the Phoenicians Greece is 600 1744 01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:32,630 BC and and the Romans Rome wasn't set 1745 01:26:38,589 --> 01:26:35,810 we're talking about 400 BC 300 BC 200 BC 1746 01:26:40,899 --> 01:26:38,599 the technology and and what they were 1747 01:26:42,939 --> 01:26:40,909 doing to get around to the Mediterranean 1748 01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:42,949 get around the Mediterranean didn't 1749 01:26:47,740 --> 01:26:45,199 happen for a few hundred years when 1750 01:26:50,620 --> 01:26:47,750 we're talking about the Phoenicians now 1751 01:26:54,879 --> 01:26:50,630 we are really pushing back the clocks 1752 01:26:57,370 --> 01:26:54,889 we're getting to a thousand BC you know 1753 01:26:58,959 --> 01:26:57,380 the evidence of the you know the ships 1754 01:27:00,760 --> 01:26:58,969 and their depictions and how they were 1755 01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:00,770 doing the things out of you know 1756 01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:05,810 modern-day Lebanon was 8 800 BC we have 1757 01:27:16,180 --> 01:27:11,679 the incredible how do I want to say this 1758 01:27:19,390 --> 01:27:16,190 incredible documentation of what they 1759 01:27:21,700 --> 01:27:19,400 were doing and you know having an 1760 01:27:25,899 --> 01:27:21,710 alphabet like they did at a thousand BC 1761 01:27:29,229 --> 01:27:25,909 and and and seafaring vessels they they 1762 01:27:32,530 --> 01:27:29,239 had conquered the Mediterranean by 800 1763 01:27:35,589 --> 01:27:32,540 BC that that's we're getting into crazy 1764 01:27:38,140 --> 01:27:35,599 town aren't we I don't think it's crazy 1765 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:38,150 at all I mean look we were on crazytown 1766 01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:40,010 about an hour ago talking about aliens 1767 01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:42,530 and the technically can you imagine the 1768 01:27:46,620 --> 01:27:44,960 technology that they had right and I 1769 01:27:49,300 --> 01:27:46,630 mean if you want to just get crazy 1770 01:27:52,180 --> 01:27:49,310 what's to say that there wasn't some 1771 01:27:54,500 --> 01:27:52,190 higher technology that was brought here 1772 01:27:57,620 --> 01:27:54,510 or that was discovered 1773 01:27:59,930 --> 01:27:57,630 going back eight ten thousand years ago 1774 01:28:05,770 --> 01:27:59,940 I mean now you're talking Phoenicians 1775 01:28:08,299 --> 01:28:05,780 back a thousand BC so what I mean I I 1776 01:28:11,540 --> 01:28:08,309 honestly you know and and let's just 1777 01:28:13,419 --> 01:28:11,550 take the the alien possibility out of 1778 01:28:15,859 --> 01:28:13,429 the equation 1779 01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:15,869 could there have been technologies that 1780 01:28:19,339 --> 01:28:17,760 were developed to sail the open oceans 1781 01:28:21,109 --> 01:28:19,349 and go anywhere they wanted around the 1782 01:28:23,919 --> 01:28:21,119 world I don't have any doubt about that 1783 01:28:27,109 --> 01:28:23,929 I have no problem with that i I think we 1784 01:28:29,149 --> 01:28:27,119 you you put constraints on your own mind 1785 01:28:30,859 --> 01:28:29,159 when you start to say well you know this 1786 01:28:32,779 --> 01:28:30,869 is what we think we understand and you 1787 01:28:34,100 --> 01:28:32,789 go back five hundred more years they 1788 01:28:35,660 --> 01:28:34,110 couldn't have understood that well I 1789 01:28:38,449 --> 01:28:35,670 think that's a mistake to say that 1790 01:28:40,669 --> 01:28:38,459 because you don't know and I think you 1791 01:28:43,219 --> 01:28:40,679 did the way your logical mind wants to 1792 01:28:46,549 --> 01:28:43,229 sort of frame it you know that can be 1793 01:28:50,089 --> 01:28:46,559 dangerous and I don't know man I I I 1794 01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:50,099 just I I think you just have to really 1795 01:28:53,509 --> 01:28:51,690 be careful I think they could I 1796 01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:53,519 personally think they could go wherever 1797 01:28:58,549 --> 01:28:55,199 they wanted and they did it for a long 1798 01:29:02,000 --> 01:28:58,559 time they did and the evidence is 1799 01:29:05,299 --> 01:29:02,010 clearly there I remember I was at the 1800 01:29:07,729 --> 01:29:05,309 met the Metropolitan in New York in the 1801 01:29:10,939 --> 01:29:07,739 mid-90s and I went through a Phoenician 1802 01:29:14,649 --> 01:29:10,949 exhibit and I looked at this this draw 1803 01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:14,659 and I and I see the date right I'm like 1804 01:29:24,979 --> 01:29:22,920 1050 BC say what remember looking at at 1805 01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:24,989 the Met and I'm looking at the trade 1806 01:29:31,009 --> 01:29:28,320 routes of the Phoenicians and and it 1807 01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:31,019 went straight out of the Straits of 1808 01:29:35,930 --> 01:29:32,610 Gibraltar we're talking about that a few 1809 01:29:38,899 --> 01:29:35,940 minutes ago and they they looked at the 1810 01:29:42,919 --> 01:29:38,909 Atlantic Ocean and they had the ships to 1811 01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:42,929 do just that why would they stop I would 1812 01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:45,360 think that they would just keep going to 1813 01:29:51,319 --> 01:29:48,239 see what was over the horizon and that's 1814 01:29:53,989 --> 01:29:51,329 human nature isn't isn't it though and 1815 01:29:57,919 --> 01:29:53,999 they they were doing it I absolutely 1816 01:30:01,279 --> 01:29:57,929 think so and and I I just 1817 01:30:03,140 --> 01:30:01,289 when I hear certain people just poopoo 1818 01:30:04,580 --> 01:30:03,150 these ideas are that didn't happen 1819 01:30:07,349 --> 01:30:04,590 because they don't think there isn't I 1820 01:30:10,379 --> 01:30:07,359 mean what about human nature just that 1821 01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:10,389 the nature of of our species is just to 1822 01:30:15,029 --> 01:30:12,489 see around the next corner how much 1823 01:30:17,429 --> 01:30:15,039 farther do we have to go and maybe some 1824 01:30:19,919 --> 01:30:17,439 of these people they had they had 1825 01:30:21,810 --> 01:30:19,929 nowhere else to go you know maybe they 1826 01:30:24,869 --> 01:30:21,820 were in a situation where they had they 1827 01:30:26,399 --> 01:30:24,879 were leaving a war-torn country or maybe 1828 01:30:27,359 --> 01:30:26,409 they had a bounty on their head and 1829 01:30:29,069 --> 01:30:27,369 they're like you know let's see I 1830 01:30:31,349 --> 01:30:29,079 normally get my head cut off so I go 1831 01:30:32,129 --> 01:30:31,359 back so you know that open ocean doesn't 1832 01:30:33,869 --> 01:30:32,139 look too bad 1833 01:30:36,049 --> 01:30:33,879 that's exactly wrong I mean who knows 1834 01:30:39,179 --> 01:30:36,059 who knows we don't know what's going on 1835 01:30:41,969 --> 01:30:39,189 I think when you start to say when you 1836 01:30:43,919 --> 01:30:41,979 start putting limits on people they're 1837 01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:43,929 gonna they're gonna surprise you yeah 1838 01:30:50,849 --> 01:30:48,159 that day they traded all the way from 1839 01:30:53,639 --> 01:30:50,859 Lebanon well you know what's Lebanon 1840 01:30:56,489 --> 01:30:53,649 today all the way across northern Africa 1841 01:31:00,929 --> 01:30:56,499 you know conquered everything Carthage 1842 01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:00,939 all the way through Spain modern day 1843 01:31:06,529 --> 01:31:03,760 Spain Tangier and and through the 1844 01:31:09,599 --> 01:31:06,539 Straits in into the Atlantic Ocean and 1845 01:31:11,609 --> 01:31:09,609 there that's I thought I just think that 1846 01:31:15,569 --> 01:31:11,619 they kept on going what evidence did you 1847 01:31:17,819 --> 01:31:15,579 find that they were here well in this 1848 01:31:19,709 --> 01:31:17,829 particular episode there was an artifact 1849 01:31:23,759 --> 01:31:19,719 that was found just outside of Rock 1850 01:31:25,770 --> 01:31:23,769 Springs Wyoming that was carved on a 1851 01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:25,780 piece of sandstone a bunch of symbols 1852 01:31:32,609 --> 01:31:30,489 that many people looked looked at and 1853 01:31:34,349 --> 01:31:32,619 said were Phoenician in fact there was 1854 01:31:38,099 --> 01:31:34,359 an article that was written by Barry 1855 01:31:41,939 --> 01:31:38,109 fell back in the 70s and he said this 1856 01:31:47,279 --> 01:31:41,949 was Phoenician script and he he actually 1857 01:31:50,459 --> 01:31:47,289 translated it now between you and me you 1858 01:31:54,599 --> 01:31:50,469 know III get Barry fell a lot of credit 1859 01:31:58,109 --> 01:31:54,609 for being you know Harvard scholar with 1860 01:32:00,629 --> 01:31:58,119 an open mind who not just you know you 1861 01:32:03,899 --> 01:32:00,639 know bothered to even look into the idea 1862 01:32:06,119 --> 01:32:03,909 but published a book America BC where he 1863 01:32:08,849 --> 01:32:06,129 talked about a lot of people making 1864 01:32:10,889 --> 01:32:08,859 these transatlantic voyages and coming 1865 01:32:13,319 --> 01:32:10,899 to the Americas and other places and so 1866 01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:13,329 I give him a lot of credit he looked at 1867 01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:15,760 a lot of inscriptions carved here and in 1868 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:20,080 the US or I should say in North America 1869 01:32:24,270 --> 01:32:21,850 and and he said that they were people 1870 01:32:26,820 --> 01:32:24,280 that came from Europe and so he deserves 1871 01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:26,830 a lot of credit for doing that and I 1872 01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:28,690 think in some cases he was right on the 1873 01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:32,110 money however I will say that there were 1874 01:32:37,050 --> 01:32:34,210 many situations that I've looked at 1875 01:32:40,350 --> 01:32:37,060 where I thought berry fel overreached in 1876 01:32:43,110 --> 01:32:40,360 some in some cases what some people 1877 01:32:46,260 --> 01:32:43,120 called plow marks probably were claw 1878 01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:46,270 marks but he had an interpretation for 1879 01:32:53,490 --> 01:32:49,810 everything and I think in the end that 1880 01:32:55,620 --> 01:32:53,500 worked against him and it was actually a 1881 01:32:59,070 --> 01:32:55,630 good lesson for me to learn because you 1882 01:33:01,500 --> 01:32:59,080 know you really have to stay within do 1883 01:33:03,780 --> 01:33:01,510 bounds and make sure that you don't 1884 01:33:07,530 --> 01:33:03,790 overreach even though you want something 1885 01:33:10,830 --> 01:33:07,540 to be something really badly you know 1886 01:33:12,810 --> 01:33:10,840 you you really have to make sure you 1887 01:33:15,060 --> 01:33:12,820 have to have the evidence the support 1888 01:33:16,710 --> 01:33:15,070 before you open your mouth because the 1889 01:33:19,230 --> 01:33:16,720 last thing you want to have happen is 1890 01:33:23,730 --> 01:33:19,240 have somebody pack it up your end and 1891 01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:23,740 prove you wrong and you know that's a 1892 01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:26,170 slippery slope Manion and and I've 1893 01:33:32,010 --> 01:33:29,010 really worked hard to try to avoid that 1894 01:33:34,170 --> 01:33:32,020 and I just think berry fell overreached 1895 01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:34,180 in some cases and I think it undermined 1896 01:33:39,450 --> 01:33:36,370 a lot of the good work that he did do 1897 01:33:42,750 --> 01:33:39,460 and in and this is one of those cases 1898 01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:42,760 yeah berry firfer for the youngsters out 1899 01:33:50,670 --> 01:33:46,960 there right monied - you need to know 1900 01:33:53,910 --> 01:33:50,680 where all of us come from and berry fell 1901 01:34:01,160 --> 01:33:53,920 is one of those cats that you just need 1902 01:34:04,410 --> 01:34:01,170 to go and check him out in in some cases 1903 01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:04,420 you know - tragic story on how you want 1904 01:34:11,940 --> 01:34:08,970 to look at it but he was a trailblazer I 1905 01:34:15,630 --> 01:34:11,950 don't think anybody has had critics like 1906 01:34:18,180 --> 01:34:15,640 Barry fellows hat they came down on him 1907 01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:18,190 as bad that was it must have been tough 1908 01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:21,010 on him it must have been you know he was 1909 01:34:28,020 --> 01:34:23,890 he was the first Universal academic to 1910 01:34:30,300 --> 01:34:28,030 step on a line right and you know good 1911 01:34:33,090 --> 01:34:30,310 for him he you know and and like I say 1912 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:33,100 there were many many cases in my opinion 1913 01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:33,610 where he 1914 01:34:41,250 --> 01:34:37,210 was right on and he was brave and he 1915 01:34:42,420 --> 01:34:41,260 said it and he stood behind it but on 1916 01:34:43,980 --> 01:34:42,430 the other hand there were some other 1917 01:34:47,940 --> 01:34:43,990 cases where he definitely I think 1918 01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:47,950 overreached and that's where some of 1919 01:34:51,690 --> 01:34:49,600 that criticism is well you got people 1920 01:34:53,970 --> 01:34:51,700 coming after you the last thing you want 1921 01:34:55,710 --> 01:34:53,980 to do is get Mammal right yeah and and 1922 01:34:57,510 --> 01:34:55,720 he did do that he gave him plenty of 1923 01:35:00,600 --> 01:34:57,520 bullets for the guns there's there's no 1924 01:35:03,540 --> 01:35:00,610 guy okay that doesn't diminish the good 1925 01:35:05,370 --> 01:35:03,550 things that you know he did I want to 1926 01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:05,380 make sure that people realize he 1927 01:35:15,660 --> 01:35:08,050 deserved a lot of credit and he is worth 1928 01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:15,670 researching for sure yeah this shows an 1929 01:35:20,850 --> 01:35:17,770 example of that let's get to episode 1930 01:35:24,570 --> 01:35:20,860 number six we're only halfway through 1931 01:35:26,610 --> 01:35:24,580 the season oh and and here we go again 1932 01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:26,620 we're running out of time are we gonna 1933 01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:28,570 are we gonna have to do like part two of 1934 01:35:33,930 --> 01:35:31,360 this because you know what I gotta tell 1935 01:35:36,030 --> 01:35:33,940 you I love those first few episodes 1936 01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:36,040 there were some fantastic stuff there 1937 01:35:42,420 --> 01:35:39,370 but the last half was was some of the 1938 01:35:48,740 --> 01:35:42,430 best stuff we've ever done episode 6 the 1939 01:35:53,010 --> 01:35:48,750 spy who saved America yeah that was 1940 01:35:56,220 --> 01:35:53,020 Valerie Plame was my tipster and oh my 1941 01:35:58,710 --> 01:35:56,230 god what a wonderful woman she is and I 1942 01:36:01,320 --> 01:35:58,720 have to say that woman is an American 1943 01:36:03,470 --> 01:36:01,330 hero in my eyes now for those of you 1944 01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:03,480 that don't know who Valerie Plame is 1945 01:36:10,050 --> 01:36:06,070 those that were around back in the early 1946 01:36:12,900 --> 01:36:10,060 2000s she was the spy who was outed by 1947 01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:12,910 the Bush administration specifically 1948 01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,060 Dick Cheney because her husband wrote an 1949 01:36:20,340 --> 01:36:18,400 article that basically was published I 1950 01:36:22,730 --> 01:36:20,350 think in the New York Times who 1951 01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:22,740 basically said that the whole Iraq war 1952 01:36:27,660 --> 01:36:25,090 and the argument that the Bush 1953 01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:27,670 administration made that it was you know 1954 01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:29,440 that we had to go in and attack them 1955 01:36:31,980 --> 01:36:31,210 because they had weapons of mass 1956 01:36:34,980 --> 01:36:31,990 destruction 1957 01:36:37,530 --> 01:36:34,990 he wrote that that was all BS and it 1958 01:36:39,540 --> 01:36:37,540 turns out he was right but because he 1959 01:36:42,540 --> 01:36:39,550 wrote that article they got they sought 1960 01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:42,550 revenge against him but by outing his 1961 01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:46,690 wife out as a spy and you know that was 1962 01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:47,410 you know 1963 01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:49,690 pardon my french shitty enough rice but 1964 01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:52,810 the problem is when you out a spy all of 1965 01:36:58,920 --> 01:36:54,640 a sudden all of their associates 1966 01:37:01,320 --> 01:36:58,930 suddenly become suspects as also being 1967 01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:01,330 spies and their lives are in danger and 1968 01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:06,130 so it was you know it was just really an 1969 01:37:12,930 --> 01:37:07,810 awful thing that happened of course her 1970 01:37:15,450 --> 01:37:12,940 career is over but in any case she she 1971 01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:15,460 was the one that said hey back during 1972 01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:17,890 the Revolutionary War George Washington 1973 01:37:24,570 --> 01:37:21,730 had was was basically getting his rear 1974 01:37:28,530 --> 01:37:24,580 end handed to him by the British in 1975 01:37:30,990 --> 01:37:28,540 several battles in a row and he decided 1976 01:37:33,540 --> 01:37:31,000 that he was going to embrace the concept 1977 01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:33,550 of espionage and he set up something 1978 01:37:38,970 --> 01:37:35,770 called the culper spy ring now the 1979 01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:38,980 culper spy ring had five male members 1980 01:37:43,970 --> 01:37:41,530 that we know about that were secretly 1981 01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:43,980 transmitting intelligence message 1982 01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:47,050 messages about British activities in New 1983 01:37:52,620 --> 01:37:50,250 York City to Washington through this 1984 01:37:55,290 --> 01:37:52,630 circuitous route that went out through 1985 01:37:58,170 --> 01:37:55,300 Long Island across the Long Island Sound 1986 01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:58,180 into Connecticut and then back into into 1987 01:38:04,740 --> 01:38:01,840 new northern New York where George 1988 01:38:07,740 --> 01:38:04,750 Washington's you know base camp was but 1989 01:38:11,340 --> 01:38:07,750 there also was reference to a female spy 1990 01:38:14,970 --> 01:38:11,350 and she was referred only to as agent 1991 01:38:16,620 --> 01:38:14,980 355 I find it interesting and I pointed 1992 01:38:19,020 --> 01:38:16,630 this out in the episode but I don't 1993 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:19,030 think that they said anything about it 1994 01:38:25,260 --> 01:38:21,850 but if you add five five and three what 1995 01:38:28,860 --> 01:38:25,270 number do you get 13 the number of the 1996 01:38:31,220 --> 01:38:28,870 Sacred Feminine right right so I thought 1997 01:38:33,690 --> 01:38:31,230 that was kind of interesting and I'm 1998 01:38:36,090 --> 01:38:33,700 surprised but I'm not surprised because 1999 01:38:38,460 --> 01:38:36,100 their founding fathers certainly 2000 01:38:40,890 --> 01:38:38,470 understood the concept of the Sacred 2001 01:38:42,330 --> 01:38:40,900 Feminine and I don't think it's an 2002 01:38:45,480 --> 01:38:42,340 accident that they picked that number 2003 01:38:47,010 --> 01:38:45,490 but in any case the identity of agent 2004 01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:47,020 three five five has never been 2005 01:38:56,330 --> 01:38:53,290 identified until now so who was it well 2006 01:38:59,610 --> 01:38:56,340 it was there were there were three 2007 01:39:01,110 --> 01:38:59,620 suspects one was Peggy Shippen Arnold 2008 01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:01,120 who was Benedict 2009 01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:05,850 wife and she was an interesting person 2010 01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:13,840 but she was not three fives us right she 2011 01:39:21,060 --> 01:39:16,480 was not then the next one was Anna man 2012 01:39:23,610 --> 01:39:21,070 see strong who definitely was helping 2013 01:39:26,340 --> 01:39:23,620 the Patriot cause and she was assisting 2014 01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:26,350 in the culper spy ring definitely 2015 01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:28,480 working with at least two or three of 2016 01:39:34,830 --> 01:39:31,750 the of the known agents that were part 2017 01:39:40,170 --> 01:39:34,840 of that spiral and I've drawn a blank 2018 01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:40,180 now who was the third woman Anna Nancy 2019 01:39:49,620 --> 01:39:45,250 strong God it'll come to me but she was 2020 01:39:52,710 --> 01:39:49,630 a woman who had helped some of the the 2021 01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:52,720 Patriots who had been captured and put 2022 01:39:57,990 --> 01:39:54,880 on these slave ships in New York Harbor 2023 01:40:01,440 --> 01:39:58,000 that were basically dying and under 2024 01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:01,450 these horrible conditions and she was 2025 01:40:05,790 --> 01:40:04,090 helping to rescue some of these people 2026 01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:05,800 sneak them out from underneath the nose 2027 01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:10,210 of the British and I can't think of her 2028 01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:13,450 name oh my god it's terrible but if you 2029 01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:17,650 go to my blog you can I wrote a blog for 2030 01:40:22,140 --> 01:40:20,290 every episode and I have pictures there 2031 01:40:24,990 --> 01:40:22,150 and I talked about the episodes but in 2032 01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:25,000 any case the the conclusive evidence to 2033 01:40:32,780 --> 01:40:29,890 me was this woman was given a pension 2034 01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:32,790 was they have a whether Lydia Lydia 2035 01:40:41,940 --> 01:40:38,530 durog no that's not it nope if you say 2036 01:40:49,470 --> 01:40:41,950 it I'll remember and raise pardon and 2037 01:40:53,070 --> 01:40:49,480 Bates nope nope I can't do it dang it 2038 01:40:54,510 --> 01:40:53,080 anyway I feel bad I can't think of it 2039 01:40:57,170 --> 01:40:54,520 but anyway we found a letter that was 2040 01:41:01,160 --> 01:40:57,180 written by General George Washington 2041 01:41:05,210 --> 01:41:01,170 during the time of the Revolutionary War 2042 01:41:08,460 --> 01:41:05,220 basically ordering her and her children 2043 01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:08,470 to get rations and she was given a 2044 01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:11,040 pension for the rest of her life 2045 01:41:17,490 --> 01:41:14,530 now Congress and 2046 01:41:19,799 --> 01:41:17,500 and Congress okayed this now she had to 2047 01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:19,809 have done something right and she was 2048 01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:21,670 living in New York City 2049 01:41:27,060 --> 01:41:23,920 and she was getting this intelligence 2050 01:41:30,330 --> 01:41:27,070 passing it on and we identify her as 2051 01:41:33,839 --> 01:41:30,340 agent three five five and I'm I'm 100% 2052 01:41:35,790 --> 01:41:33,849 convinced that we've that we unmasked 2053 01:41:38,970 --> 01:41:35,800 her so I'm pretty proud of that and you 2054 01:41:43,470 --> 01:41:38,980 know what all of the guest experts that 2055 01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:43,480 we had and my tipster were women and I 2056 01:41:50,339 --> 01:41:46,480 thought it was very apropos that it was 2057 01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:50,349 about a female agent so and they were 2058 01:41:56,910 --> 01:41:53,440 all wonderful beautiful highly 2059 01:41:59,549 --> 01:41:56,920 intelligent women that were our suspects 2060 01:42:02,399 --> 01:41:59,559 and who are tipsters and it was really a 2061 01:42:06,540 --> 01:42:02,409 great episode and a guy and I got a 2062 01:42:09,149 --> 01:42:06,550 chance to thank Valerie for her service 2063 01:42:11,700 --> 01:42:09,159 and everybody else that the the women 2064 01:42:14,370 --> 01:42:11,710 that have served our country in the past 2065 01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:14,380 and today they all deserve our gratitude 2066 01:42:21,209 --> 01:42:16,960 and it was great to be able to say 2067 01:42:24,209 --> 01:42:21,219 something to all of them the episode 2068 01:42:26,490 --> 01:42:24,219 seven Bigfoot of the bayou now before we 2069 01:42:30,779 --> 01:42:26,500 get to the break we'll talk about this 2070 01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:30,789 but just one question how good is that 2071 01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:37,570 swamp gas Chile I put some hot sauce in 2072 01:42:41,129 --> 01:42:39,250 there and I pounded that down like it 2073 01:42:44,700 --> 01:42:41,139 was going out of stock that was great 2074 01:42:45,660 --> 01:42:44,710 was it as good as it looked it was man 2075 01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:45,670 and it was great 2076 01:42:51,330 --> 01:42:48,010 swamp gas Chile that's what they called 2077 01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:51,340 it I couldn't believe it but they did it 2078 01:42:58,740 --> 01:42:54,010 was there okay all right what side of 2079 01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,750 the fence are you with Bigfoot well 2080 01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:00,960 let's put it this way 2081 01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:04,449 III really didn't have a lot of interest 2082 01:43:09,419 --> 01:43:06,489 in Bigfoot prior to doing the first 2083 01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,429 episode we did in season three when I 2084 01:43:14,069 --> 01:43:11,679 got to go to Nepal which was amazing 2085 01:43:16,709 --> 01:43:14,079 right but you know I I will say this Jim 2086 01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:16,719 I'm still very skeptical about Bigfoot 2087 01:43:22,529 --> 01:43:18,639 and I remember when I went into the 2088 01:43:25,470 --> 01:43:22,539 first episode I said look unless I see a 2089 01:43:29,010 --> 01:43:25,480 body or I see a skeleton or shake 2090 01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:29,020 Bigfoot's hand I'm going in a skeptic 2091 01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:31,690 and I'm going to go out of skeptic that 2092 01:43:36,420 --> 01:43:33,760 doesn't mean I'm saying it doesn't exist 2093 01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:36,430 because here again I don't know but I 2094 01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:40,000 will say this of nearly every person 2095 01:43:47,940 --> 01:43:43,090 that I talked to who said that they saw 2096 01:43:51,210 --> 01:43:47,950 a Bigfoot I absolutely 100% believe 2097 01:43:53,610 --> 01:43:51,220 those people believe that they saw a 2098 01:43:55,980 --> 01:43:53,620 Bigfoot I believe that they believe they 2099 01:43:58,140 --> 01:43:55,990 saw him that doesn't necessarily mean 2100 01:44:01,320 --> 01:43:58,150 that they saw him but these people were 2101 01:44:03,900 --> 01:44:01,330 not lying to me they saw something and 2102 01:44:06,540 --> 01:44:03,910 they believed it was Bigfoot and I could 2103 01:44:10,020 --> 01:44:06,550 just see it in their in their eyes in 2104 01:44:12,420 --> 01:44:10,030 their body language in their voice they 2105 01:44:16,140 --> 01:44:12,430 saw something and it scared the crap out 2106 01:44:20,250 --> 01:44:16,150 of them and you and I are on the same 2107 01:44:23,010 --> 01:44:20,260 page okay I'm right there with you you 2108 01:44:25,950 --> 01:44:23,020 know until I see a body you know I see 2109 01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:25,960 something with you know but and that's 2110 01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:29,050 it and I'm still kind of there today but 2111 01:44:35,550 --> 01:44:32,320 two years ago last year I'm sorry last 2112 01:44:39,090 --> 01:44:35,560 year I saw my first set of big 2113 01:44:41,820 --> 01:44:39,100 footprints right my first and in this 2114 01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:41,830 field some kids found it came and got me 2115 01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:44,080 we have it in a documentary you can see 2116 01:44:48,420 --> 01:44:46,330 the footage but anyway this thing is I 2117 01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:48,430 don't know it's like 18 inches 2 feet 2118 01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:52,690 you know long to two to two and a half 2119 01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:55,450 inches in the ground you can see the 2120 01:44:59,460 --> 01:44:58,090 toes and we found four prints right that 2121 01:45:03,180 --> 01:44:59,470 left right left right 2122 01:45:05,310 --> 01:45:03,190 they're like 6 feet apart and and I'm 2123 01:45:08,130 --> 01:45:05,320 standing there and I'm not even denting 2124 01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:08,140 the ground and I'm looking at this fresh 2125 01:45:13,230 --> 01:45:11,410 print you know with the grass inside of 2126 01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:13,240 it you know the whole thing and it's 2127 01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:15,850 like it was made a few hours prior in 2128 01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:19,710 this hard compacted ground and I'm 2129 01:45:29,060 --> 01:45:23,290 perplexed man I step back from that ah 2130 01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:32,040 got my attention now yeah well you know 2131 01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:35,770 like I said yeah the problem I have is 2132 01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:39,280 there have been literally thousands tens 2133 01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:41,530 of thousands of sightings over the years 2134 01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:42,159 and 2135 01:45:49,799 --> 01:45:44,800 really all over the world but yet not 2136 01:45:51,810 --> 01:45:49,809 one body not one bone nothing you know 2137 01:45:55,620 --> 01:45:51,820 you know when I when I get to that we 2138 01:46:00,089 --> 01:45:55,630 got 20 seconds before the break look at 2139 01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:00,099 the panda right Panda supposed to be 2140 01:46:10,409 --> 01:46:03,760 their descriptions drawings is that it 2141 01:46:15,919 --> 01:46:10,419 and that's a 20th century find that's a 2142 01:46:20,850 --> 01:46:15,929 modern discovery they avoided us and and 2143 01:46:23,370 --> 01:46:20,860 were so elusive Scott that for thousands 2144 01:46:26,069 --> 01:46:23,380 of years oh you know I I know I look I'm 2145 01:46:27,689 --> 01:46:26,079 still a skeptic look I am I'm on the 2146 01:46:29,459 --> 01:46:27,699 fence but I'm on the fence in the 2147 01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:29,469 opposite direction with Bigfoot 2148 01:46:33,899 --> 01:46:31,689 I just am I need something more 2149 01:46:36,839 --> 01:46:33,909 definitive but I saw that football right 2150 01:46:39,330 --> 01:46:36,849 and in me too that doesn't mean that I 2151 01:46:40,109 --> 01:46:39,340 don't I doesn't mean I'm saying it 2152 01:46:43,739 --> 01:46:40,119 doesn't exist 2153 01:46:46,919 --> 01:46:43,749 I don't know but come on man I mean 2154 01:46:51,179 --> 01:46:46,929 footprints are great you know why you 2155 01:46:52,979 --> 01:46:51,189 know you know is pretty compelling I 2156 01:46:55,319 --> 01:46:52,989 mean it's gotta be a dead one out there 2157 01:46:57,409 --> 01:46:55,329 somewhere come on I know I know Scott if 2158 01:46:59,759 --> 01:46:57,419 you would have been standing next to me 2159 01:47:01,649 --> 01:46:59,769 looking at this footprint in the ground 2160 01:47:06,959 --> 01:47:01,659 and just looking around and then looking 2161 01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:06,969 back at this I'm telling you I'm telling 2162 01:47:12,270 --> 01:47:10,239 you if I lost sleep over that we got to 2163 01:47:14,580 --> 01:47:12,280 take a break right here so our guest 2164 01:47:17,219 --> 01:47:14,590 tonight is Scott Wolter we're doing 2165 01:47:20,299 --> 01:47:17,229 episode by episode breakdown of season 4 2166 01:47:24,060 --> 01:47:20,309 of America on earth when we come back 2167 01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:24,070 episode 8 Chicago's mystery bomber we're 2168 01:47:27,630 --> 01:47:26,050 gonna get to episode 10 don't you worry 2169 01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:27,640 we'll be right back stay with us 2170 01:47:45,580 --> 01:47:41,830 welcome back beta-blocker Miro's 2171 01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:45,590 temperatures tonight Scott Wolter we you 2172 01:47:51,340 --> 01:47:48,800 know this is the thing about having 2173 01:47:53,350 --> 01:47:51,350 Scott on the show the conversation is 2174 01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:53,360 all you can say whatever you want Scott 2175 01:48:06,340 --> 01:47:55,610 but but the conversation between the two 2176 01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:06,350 of us is honest it is a real guy it 2177 01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:09,050 didn't happen yeah that's my excuse yeah 2178 01:48:11,770 --> 01:48:10,970 yeah you can use it you can use it I'm 2179 01:48:14,020 --> 01:48:11,780 not that smart 2180 01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:14,030 let's get to Episode eight Chicago's 2181 01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:16,010 mystery bomber we've got to get to 2182 01:48:21,970 --> 01:48:20,090 episode 10 it's to boil so Chicago's 2183 01:48:25,390 --> 01:48:21,980 everybody and that was really a 2184 01:48:27,070 --> 01:48:25,400 fantastic episode because first first 2185 01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:27,080 off I didn't eat I never even heard of 2186 01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:29,810 the Haymarket affair and you know the 2187 01:48:35,170 --> 01:48:33,050 the riots and the bombing and and that 2188 01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:35,180 it led to Labor Day you know why we 2189 01:48:40,450 --> 01:48:37,970 celebrate Labor Day today and and you 2190 01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:40,460 know the the people that fought for the 2191 01:48:44,710 --> 01:48:42,290 eight-hour day and decent working 2192 01:48:46,810 --> 01:48:44,720 conditions and elimination of child 2193 01:48:49,660 --> 01:48:46,820 labor and you know the things that we 2194 01:48:52,150 --> 01:48:49,670 enjoy today is just people don't realize 2195 01:48:55,540 --> 01:48:52,160 that a lot of people died in the fight 2196 01:48:58,420 --> 01:48:55,550 to get those laws passed but what was 2197 01:49:01,360 --> 01:48:58,430 really fascinating was you know here's a 2198 01:49:04,710 --> 01:49:01,370 mystery to this day nobody knew who 2199 01:49:09,820 --> 01:49:04,720 threw the bomb that night on May 4th of 2200 01:49:13,420 --> 01:49:09,830 1886 and so what we did was we got the 2201 01:49:15,130 --> 01:49:13,430 FBI involved and that was such a cool 2202 01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:15,140 experience and we got to go up to 2203 01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:18,410 northern Minnesota to to Camp Ripley a 2204 01:49:22,510 --> 01:49:20,210 place that I known about my whole life 2205 01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:22,520 but I've never been on there right and I 2206 01:49:26,980 --> 01:49:24,650 didn't place how big of an area it was 2207 01:49:29,740 --> 01:49:26,990 but we went to their bombing range and 2208 01:49:33,790 --> 01:49:29,750 we set up a bunch of mannequins and we 2209 01:49:36,580 --> 01:49:33,800 recreated I actually made one of you 2210 01:49:40,210 --> 01:49:36,590 know I made a few of those bombs that 2211 01:49:44,620 --> 01:49:40,220 were on display at the Museum in Chicago 2212 01:49:48,460 --> 01:49:44,630 and we blew him up and you know it was 2213 01:49:50,170 --> 01:49:48,470 really surprising because you know at 2214 01:49:50,979 --> 01:49:50,180 first I thought well if you blow up this 2215 01:49:52,689 --> 01:49:50,989 bomb it's going to 2216 01:49:54,549 --> 01:49:52,699 blow people's heads off and arms are 2217 01:49:57,459 --> 01:49:54,559 going to go fly-in and you know it's 2218 01:49:58,450 --> 01:49:57,469 going to be just carnage but it really 2219 01:50:01,479 --> 01:49:58,460 wasn't like that 2220 01:50:04,270 --> 01:50:01,489 and I came to realize after dealing with 2221 01:50:09,310 --> 01:50:04,280 these guys with the FBI that things like 2222 01:50:12,279 --> 01:50:09,320 the you know the Boston Marathon bombing 2223 01:50:14,859 --> 01:50:12,289 was very similar in that you know these 2224 01:50:16,899 --> 01:50:14,869 bombs go off and at first you see people 2225 01:50:20,250 --> 01:50:16,909 kind of standing around and you don't 2226 01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,260 realize how badly injured people are 2227 01:50:25,089 --> 01:50:22,880 because the shrapnel fragments aren't 2228 01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:25,099 that big but they're traveling at such a 2229 01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:28,159 high velocity and when we looked at 2230 01:50:34,930 --> 01:50:30,530 these mannequins after the bomb blew up 2231 01:50:37,299 --> 01:50:34,940 only two of them even fell over and I 2232 01:50:39,009 --> 01:50:37,309 thought well gee that's not bad and then 2233 01:50:41,589 --> 01:50:39,019 I started looking closely at these 2234 01:50:44,169 --> 01:50:41,599 mannequins and there was shrapnel that 2235 01:50:46,180 --> 01:50:44,179 had gone through the bodies like through 2236 01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:46,190 the heart to the lungs to the stomach 2237 01:50:51,970 --> 01:50:48,530 through the head I mean you don't 2238 01:50:54,399 --> 01:50:51,980 realize because at first you just don't 2239 01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:54,409 see the damage but there's a lot more 2240 01:50:58,959 --> 01:50:56,449 damage that happens when these these 2241 01:51:01,930 --> 01:50:58,969 even these crude bombs go off and wrote 2242 01:51:05,140 --> 01:51:01,940 it down to the human body was like was 2243 01:51:07,930 --> 01:51:05,150 really you know it was an eye-opener to 2244 01:51:09,939 --> 01:51:07,940 say the least and and the other thing 2245 01:51:14,169 --> 01:51:09,949 about this episode that was absolutely 2246 01:51:16,359 --> 01:51:14,179 fantastic was you know the researchers 2247 01:51:18,939 --> 01:51:16,369 that that gave me the information to 2248 01:51:22,209 --> 01:51:18,949 read and we all sat down and we agreed 2249 01:51:24,399 --> 01:51:22,219 that this George Meng guy was probably 2250 01:51:27,700 --> 01:51:24,409 the bomber and we were going to 2251 01:51:30,870 --> 01:51:27,710 investigate him and and you know see if 2252 01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:30,880 we could we could make a compelling and 2253 01:51:36,580 --> 01:51:34,130 conclusive case well as I was doing the 2254 01:51:40,060 --> 01:51:36,590 investigation I talked to a historian in 2255 01:51:45,029 --> 01:51:40,070 Chicago and this guy his name was 2256 01:51:49,529 --> 01:51:45,039 Richard Lindbergh he was oh by the way 2257 01:51:54,250 --> 01:51:49,539 excuse me one sec I was told that 2258 01:51:57,129 --> 01:51:54,260 Elizabeth Burgin was the the woman I 2259 01:51:59,439 --> 01:51:57,139 couldn't remember Oh three five five yep 2260 01:52:04,000 --> 01:51:59,449 Elizabeth Burgin was the a and I'm so 2261 01:52:04,300 --> 01:52:04,010 glad a friend of mine CJ she tested me 2262 01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:04,310 that 2263 01:52:08,770 --> 01:52:07,010 she says Scot Elizabeth Burgin and 2264 01:52:12,130 --> 01:52:08,780 that's what what but anyway getting back 2265 01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:12,140 to this guy he was a historian and he 2266 01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:14,330 laid out his case and he said now I 2267 01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:17,210 think it was this guy and here's why and 2268 01:52:23,500 --> 01:52:21,170 he convinced me so I basically sat down 2269 01:52:27,250 --> 01:52:23,510 with the field producer and we called 2270 01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:27,260 back to committee films and I said I I 2271 01:52:30,790 --> 01:52:28,970 don't want to look into this George Ming 2272 01:52:33,310 --> 01:52:30,800 anymore I think it's this guy and this 2273 01:52:37,390 --> 01:52:33,320 is why I think it's this guy so we 2274 01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:37,400 changed change directions and the 2275 01:52:46,690 --> 01:52:39,650 conclusion the thing that absolutely 2276 01:52:48,490 --> 01:52:46,700 clinched it was I was given by this 2277 01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:48,500 expert with the FBI 2278 01:52:55,630 --> 01:52:52,880 Kirk Yeager dr. Kirk Yeager the the 2279 01:52:58,210 --> 01:52:55,640 transcripts from the testimony of the 2280 01:53:01,630 --> 01:52:58,220 witnesses that were there that night who 2281 01:53:04,090 --> 01:53:01,640 described the Haymarket bomber and so 2282 01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:04,100 what we did is we went to the police 2283 01:53:11,860 --> 01:53:08,000 station and I think it was Cook County 2284 01:53:14,530 --> 01:53:11,870 hope I have that right in in Chicago and 2285 01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:14,540 a sketch artist 2286 01:53:20,830 --> 01:53:18,650 a detective sketch artist I read the 2287 01:53:24,850 --> 01:53:20,840 testimony I gave him the descriptions 2288 01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:24,860 and he drew the sketch and when I pulled 2289 01:53:30,670 --> 01:53:27,290 out the picture of our new suspect and 2290 01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:30,680 put it next to his sketch it was a spot 2291 01:53:37,780 --> 01:53:36,170 on match I couldn't believe it and you 2292 01:53:43,030 --> 01:53:37,790 know if you watch the episode I think 2293 01:53:44,710 --> 01:53:43,040 you'll agree that the new suspect is is 2294 01:53:46,750 --> 01:53:44,720 the guy that threw the bomb I think we 2295 01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:46,760 finally unmasked the Haymarket bomber 2296 01:53:53,350 --> 01:53:50,210 and what really is important about that 2297 01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:53,360 is that you know if new evidence comes 2298 01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:55,370 in and it takes you in a different 2299 01:54:00,430 --> 01:53:58,130 direction you go there yeah you have to 2300 01:54:02,740 --> 01:54:00,440 you have to you have to and I'm not 2301 01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:02,750 afraid to admit the first guy we looked 2302 01:54:08,890 --> 01:54:05,690 at we were wrong it wasn't him and the 2303 01:54:10,810 --> 01:54:08,900 new evidence took us there and that's 2304 01:54:14,170 --> 01:54:10,820 that's the way it's supposed to work so 2305 01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:14,180 I'm really proud of that investigation 2306 01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:15,920 even though we didn't talk about that 2307 01:54:20,200 --> 01:54:17,570 during the episode 2308 01:54:22,540 --> 01:54:20,210 that's what happened in real life let's 2309 01:54:25,089 --> 01:54:22,550 uh now let's get back into your 2310 01:54:26,740 --> 01:54:25,099 wheelhouse actually episode 9 in episode 2311 01:54:31,330 --> 01:54:26,750 10 episode 9 Drake's 2312 01:54:33,399 --> 01:54:31,340 lost treasure yes that was another one 2313 01:54:35,319 --> 01:54:33,409 that I knew very little about at the 2314 01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:35,329 outset but I read a bunch of articles 2315 01:54:41,439 --> 01:54:38,000 about it and I really got into this 2316 01:54:42,970 --> 01:54:41,449 episode and you know I there are some 2317 01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:42,980 things I can tell you about this episode 2318 01:54:51,700 --> 01:54:45,530 now that I couldn't talk about before 2319 01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:51,710 but we had one guest who had all kinds 2320 01:54:57,100 --> 01:54:54,170 of what he thought was evidence that 2321 01:54:59,439 --> 01:54:57,110 proved that were were the actual 2322 01:55:03,399 --> 01:54:59,449 artifacts that Drake used to make the 2323 01:55:06,060 --> 01:55:03,409 land land claim plaque you know he 2324 01:55:09,790 --> 01:55:06,070 thought he had some of the treasure that 2325 01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:09,800 Drake had found and he showed us all 2326 01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:12,320 kinds of stuff and I have to say Jim not 2327 01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:14,810 one of these things now one of them was 2328 01:55:19,780 --> 01:55:18,170 legitimate not one and and so what 2329 01:55:22,270 --> 01:55:19,790 happened was we spent like two and a 2330 01:55:25,450 --> 01:55:22,280 half days of this guy and we can't use 2331 01:55:28,419 --> 01:55:25,460 any of the content and you know I mean 2332 01:55:30,220 --> 01:55:28,429 he believed what he had and I I'm just 2333 01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:30,230 tell him dude none of this is good none 2334 01:55:36,939 --> 01:55:33,920 of it so we had we had a relatively 2335 01:55:39,220 --> 01:55:36,949 small amount of content and so that's 2336 01:55:41,620 --> 01:55:39,230 why you see a lot of reenactments in 2337 01:55:45,089 --> 01:55:41,630 that episode and by the way the guy who 2338 01:55:48,129 --> 01:55:45,099 plays francis drake is a brother Mason 2339 01:55:51,220 --> 01:55:48,139 and an actor and a sound guy who 2340 01:55:53,050 --> 01:55:51,230 actually worked on season three of 2341 01:55:56,379 --> 01:55:53,060 America on earth and we got to be really 2342 01:55:59,020 --> 01:55:56,389 good friends and and he he's become a 2343 01:56:01,300 --> 01:55:59,030 freemason but the actor who plays 2344 01:56:03,700 --> 01:56:01,310 Francis Drake is a guy named Tom Colvin 2345 01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:03,710 I actually saw him tonight at lodge he 2346 01:56:09,220 --> 01:56:07,010 says he's a great dude and anyway that's 2347 01:56:11,649 --> 01:56:09,230 why you saw so many reenactments there 2348 01:56:15,490 --> 01:56:11,659 because a lot of the content that we we 2349 01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:15,500 filmed we just couldn't use and and that 2350 01:56:21,370 --> 01:56:18,290 plaque that plaque I think that plaque 2351 01:56:24,580 --> 01:56:21,380 is real but we had we had a power 2352 01:56:26,890 --> 01:56:24,590 tripping person at the at the library at 2353 01:56:29,049 --> 01:56:26,900 the Bancroft library there who wouldn't 2354 01:56:30,819 --> 01:56:29,059 let us do the XRF testing that they'd 2355 01:56:33,549 --> 01:56:30,829 already agreed to let us do 2356 01:56:37,359 --> 01:56:33,559 and the sad part is if we could have 2357 01:56:40,839 --> 01:56:37,369 done the XRF testing and and tested the 2358 01:56:42,939 --> 01:56:40,849 the build up on the on the artifact if 2359 01:56:44,530 --> 01:56:42,949 there was organic material there we 2360 01:56:47,379 --> 01:56:44,540 could have taken a small sample it could 2361 01:56:49,319 --> 01:56:47,389 have dated it we could have proven one 2362 01:56:51,879 --> 01:56:49,329 way or another that can still be done 2363 01:56:54,010 --> 01:56:51,889 and they wouldn't let us do it I will 2364 01:56:56,410 --> 01:56:54,020 tell you this at lunch that day after we 2365 01:57:00,339 --> 01:56:56,420 left that library I have never been so 2366 01:57:02,379 --> 01:57:00,349 pissed off in my life and it was 2367 01:57:04,450 --> 01:57:02,389 unnecessary it should never happen and 2368 01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:04,460 it had nothing to do with like you know 2369 01:57:09,910 --> 01:57:06,770 personality conflict it was just a power 2370 01:57:11,470 --> 01:57:09,920 tripping single individual that just 2371 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:11,480 said no you're not gonna test it yeah 2372 01:57:19,839 --> 01:57:14,090 and that that'll stop I just watched a 2373 01:57:21,520 --> 01:57:19,849 series on Tesla and the crew and who has 2374 01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:21,530 they've been guest on this show and I 2375 01:57:26,620 --> 01:57:23,360 have also had them over on coast to 2376 01:57:30,970 --> 01:57:26,630 coast but they you know they fly over to 2377 01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:30,980 the Tesla Museum and they get there it's 2378 01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:33,199 like Romania or something right and so 2379 01:57:37,780 --> 01:57:36,530 they they get to the Tesla Museum and 2380 01:57:40,990 --> 01:57:37,790 they're looking at the stack of 2381 01:57:45,209 --> 01:57:41,000 documents about the amount of crates and 2382 01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:45,219 and things that were you know taken from 2383 01:57:50,109 --> 01:57:48,050 the Tesla's home with all of his 2384 01:57:53,709 --> 01:57:50,119 document and there's a miscommunication 2385 01:57:56,290 --> 01:57:53,719 in these documents about how many trunks 2386 01:57:59,770 --> 01:57:56,300 of documents there were the FBI says one 2387 01:58:03,100 --> 01:57:59,780 thing the State Department says another 2388 01:58:06,189 --> 01:58:03,110 the museum says another and and so they 2389 01:58:09,100 --> 01:58:06,199 were like okay well and he goes this is 2390 01:58:09,669 --> 01:58:09,110 the museum curator I left over from the 2391 01:58:13,330 --> 01:58:09,679 Cold War 2392 01:58:16,510 --> 01:58:13,340 kind of guy and there at the stack of 2393 01:58:18,370 --> 01:58:16,520 documents okay but who signed the 2394 01:58:22,030 --> 01:58:18,380 documents on the last weekend you can't 2395 01:58:23,950 --> 01:58:22,040 see that you can see the top page wait a 2396 01:58:30,250 --> 01:58:23,960 minute we just flew from the United 2397 01:58:32,350 --> 01:58:30,260 States number of people and you're gonna 2398 01:58:35,129 --> 01:58:32,360 tell us that you can't do what you told 2399 01:58:39,910 --> 01:58:35,139 us we could do it's the hell one one guy 2400 01:58:42,189 --> 01:58:39,920 power-tripping killed it you know so in 2401 01:58:44,260 --> 01:58:42,199 this case was a woman but I will tell 2402 01:58:44,500 --> 01:58:44,270 you I have never been so pissed off in 2403 01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:44,510 my 2404 01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:46,610 light I was so pissed I didn't eat I 2405 01:58:51,070 --> 01:58:49,520 couldn't eat lunch that tells you I was 2406 01:58:53,380 --> 01:58:51,080 mad 2407 01:58:55,930 --> 01:58:53,390 you know what we moved on and we 2408 01:58:58,360 --> 01:58:55,940 finished the episode there's one thing 2409 01:59:01,090 --> 01:58:58,370 that was also did not make that episode 2410 01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:01,100 we were up at wale Cove and when I 2411 01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:03,410 talked to the archaeologists and you 2412 01:59:06,910 --> 01:59:05,090 know we thought maybe this is where 2413 01:59:08,710 --> 01:59:06,920 Drake could have brought his ship and 2414 01:59:13,060 --> 01:59:08,720 repaired it 2415 01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:13,070 I actually dull in that Harbor in the 2416 01:59:18,340 --> 01:59:15,050 rough some of the roughest waves you'll 2417 01:59:20,740 --> 01:59:18,350 ever see and they cut that hole that 2418 01:59:22,510 --> 01:59:20,750 whole segment out because it really 2419 01:59:23,970 --> 01:59:22,520 didn't make sense to go diving there 2420 01:59:26,590 --> 01:59:23,980 there was nothing there to see it was 2421 01:59:28,540 --> 01:59:26,600 supposed to bring in a little action but 2422 01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:28,550 it just didn't make sense so they cut it 2423 01:59:33,070 --> 01:59:31,370 but what you would have seen is there 2424 01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:33,080 was these beautiful seals that were 2425 01:59:37,810 --> 01:59:35,690 swimming with us in the water and I 2426 01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:37,820 popped out at one point about five feet 2427 01:59:42,310 --> 01:59:40,490 away here's this you know this seal I 2428 01:59:44,890 --> 01:59:42,320 was looking right at his face you know 2429 01:59:47,020 --> 01:59:44,900 how they talk about ancient sailors 2430 01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:47,030 would see mermaids and a lot of people 2431 01:59:53,050 --> 01:59:48,770 believed that they were the faces of 2432 01:59:56,650 --> 01:59:53,060 seals yep and I'm telling ya they look 2433 01:59:58,480 --> 01:59:56,660 human and it was creepy as hell but they 2434 02:00:00,190 --> 01:59:58,490 were so cute you know it's like you're 2435 02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:00,200 not afraid on one hand but on the other 2436 02:00:03,250 --> 02:00:02,570 hand it's like these things are big too 2437 02:00:06,160 --> 02:00:03,260 you know 2438 02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:06,170 anyway it was it was really fun but that 2439 02:00:11,500 --> 02:00:07,970 didn't make the cut the cutting room 2440 02:00:14,020 --> 02:00:11,510 floor I got the finale 2441 02:00:19,570 --> 02:00:14,030 rabitor you know the pixel purgatory 2442 02:00:25,060 --> 02:00:19,580 that is episode 10 the finale exodus of 2443 02:00:31,540 --> 02:00:25,070 the Templars now tell me you watched I 2444 02:00:34,300 --> 02:00:31,550 did I did and I do want because there 2445 02:00:37,180 --> 02:00:34,310 are some spoilers involved here I want 2446 02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:37,190 everybody to go and and watch the entire 2447 02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:39,890 season right now the season isn't 2448 02:00:45,070 --> 02:00:42,530 available for streaming online 2449 02:00:49,420 --> 02:00:45,080 I've got everything locked down and is 2450 02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:49,430 taping and the exodus of the Templars is 2451 02:00:54,910 --> 02:00:51,890 not playing 2452 02:00:57,300 --> 02:00:54,920 for another two days on Travel Channel I 2453 02:01:00,430 --> 02:00:57,310 think it's on the 10th and the 12th of 2454 02:01:05,110 --> 02:01:00,440 this are the replays yeah I'm all over 2455 02:01:08,710 --> 02:01:05,120 this so everybody that's listening right 2456 02:01:11,490 --> 02:01:08,720 now is going to go to travel and and and 2457 02:01:14,290 --> 02:01:11,500 set it up so you can tape it or watch it 2458 02:01:18,370 --> 02:01:14,300 and there are some spoilers involved 2459 02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:18,380 here but I told Scott that we had to 2460 02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:22,490 discuss episode 10 it is too important 2461 02:01:29,770 --> 02:01:25,250 of an episode you you did confide with 2462 02:01:33,340 --> 02:01:29,780 me that it was certainly the the only 2463 02:01:34,990 --> 02:01:33,350 way to wrap up the season and that it 2464 02:01:36,790 --> 02:01:35,000 was probably the most important show 2465 02:01:37,870 --> 02:01:36,800 that you've ever done I will agree with 2466 02:01:40,840 --> 02:01:37,880 you 2467 02:01:44,530 --> 02:01:40,850 and here's it was a fantastic episode 2468 02:01:47,200 --> 02:01:44,540 it's it's in my opinion it's by far the 2469 02:01:48,970 --> 02:01:47,210 best episode of the season it's right up 2470 02:01:53,590 --> 02:01:48,980 there with it with the two-part finale 2471 02:01:55,510 --> 02:01:53,600 of season 3 right episode 12 and 13 but 2472 02:01:57,910 --> 02:01:55,520 this episode that we're talking about 2473 02:02:01,030 --> 02:01:57,920 should have been two episodes there's a 2474 02:02:04,300 --> 02:02:01,040 lot that didn't make it a lot that 2475 02:02:07,900 --> 02:02:04,310 didn't make it and it's unfortunate but 2476 02:02:09,940 --> 02:02:07,910 what did get in there was was was epic 2477 02:02:11,590 --> 02:02:09,950 no I really I really and I'm not just 2478 02:02:12,730 --> 02:02:11,600 saying that because you know me I'll be 2479 02:02:15,580 --> 02:02:12,740 honest with you there are a couple 2480 02:02:17,530 --> 02:02:15,590 episodes early on that you know at the 2481 02:02:19,780 --> 02:02:17,540 phoenicians episode with that artifact I 2482 02:02:22,240 --> 02:02:19,790 wasn't wild about that episode I didn't 2483 02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:22,250 think it was a great artifact it was fun 2484 02:02:28,030 --> 02:02:25,490 to to look into the possibility and 2485 02:02:31,240 --> 02:02:28,040 everything but man this episodes got 2486 02:02:35,590 --> 02:02:31,250 everything it was now I thought here's 2487 02:02:37,900 --> 02:02:35,600 the spoiler alert I want to get to the 2488 02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:37,910 the key part and then we're gonna back 2489 02:02:43,350 --> 02:02:39,530 up to the beginning of the episode but 2490 02:02:46,390 --> 02:02:43,360 the key part about this and I thought 2491 02:02:54,340 --> 02:02:46,400 Scott was just given a gift from heaven 2492 02:02:59,190 --> 02:02:54,350 here where you you've got you've got a 2493 02:03:03,820 --> 02:02:59,200 stone you've got a stone that is 2494 02:03:05,050 --> 02:03:03,830 engraved something is something not only 2495 02:03:07,990 --> 02:03:05,060 so tangible 2496 02:03:10,930 --> 02:03:08,000 but it is it's exactly where your 2497 02:03:13,570 --> 02:03:10,940 expertise lies and I'm watching this I'm 2498 02:03:18,370 --> 02:03:13,580 like Scott is just given this is this is 2499 02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:18,380 a gift this is a gift it doesn't get 2500 02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:20,570 much better no it would have the only 2501 02:03:24,790 --> 02:03:22,490 thing that would have been better is if 2502 02:03:26,950 --> 02:03:24,800 it had a hook Dex at the bottom of the 2503 02:03:27,670 --> 02:03:26,960 middle no I thought that's where it was 2504 02:03:30,490 --> 02:03:27,680 going 2505 02:03:33,790 --> 02:03:30,500 actually I thought here we go we're 2506 02:03:37,090 --> 02:03:33,800 gonna have a hook that it was no it was 2507 02:03:38,410 --> 02:03:37,100 just actually don't Jim I have to tell 2508 02:03:41,860 --> 02:03:38,420 you I've known about that inscription 2509 02:03:43,570 --> 02:03:41,870 for almost 10 years and we we couldn't 2510 02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:43,580 talked about it on it I've been sitting 2511 02:03:53,140 --> 02:03:50,330 on it because we just we just wasn't 2512 02:03:56,890 --> 02:03:53,150 ready until now but now we can talk 2513 02:03:59,170 --> 02:03:56,900 about it so tell us the stone I want you 2514 02:04:01,390 --> 02:03:59,180 to describe it for everybody but it's 2515 02:04:05,170 --> 02:04:01,400 about I don't know foot and a half 2516 02:04:07,470 --> 02:04:05,180 square right on the page you're talking 2517 02:04:09,970 --> 02:04:07,480 about the one in Newport right yes yes 2518 02:04:12,550 --> 02:04:09,980 it's called the in hoc Signo Vinces 2519 02:04:16,030 --> 02:04:12,560 stone which mean it's a Latin 2520 02:04:18,550 --> 02:04:16,040 inscription in block letters and it 2521 02:04:21,820 --> 02:04:18,560 basically means in this sign thou shall 2522 02:04:24,220 --> 02:04:21,830 conquer you know the legend has it it 2523 02:04:27,790 --> 02:04:24,230 was first uttered by Constantine back in 2524 02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:27,800 the 4th century before he went into 2525 02:04:35,730 --> 02:04:31,850 battle and it's been used by various you 2526 02:04:38,950 --> 02:04:35,740 know groups for for you know ever since 2527 02:04:41,590 --> 02:04:38,960 including the Knights Templar and it's 2528 02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:41,600 right there but actually what you may 2529 02:04:46,300 --> 02:04:43,970 not realize and you know as I watched 2530 02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:46,310 the episode I'm going god we didn't talk 2531 02:04:49,240 --> 02:04:47,690 about this we didn't talk about that 2532 02:04:52,780 --> 02:04:49,250 because we couldn't we just didn't have 2533 02:04:55,090 --> 02:04:52,790 enough time cuz it was so much but it's 2534 02:04:57,970 --> 02:04:55,100 actually a bed rock outcrop that was 2535 02:04:59,530 --> 02:04:57,980 bedrock that's not a loose Boulder like 2536 02:05:02,650 --> 02:04:59,540 the narragansett rune stone of the 2537 02:05:05,140 --> 02:05:02,660 kensington stone that is the that is the 2538 02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:05,150 bedrock but what happened is if you 2539 02:05:10,030 --> 02:05:07,610 notice there was a concrete wall right 2540 02:05:12,730 --> 02:05:10,040 behind us where we were passing supplies 2541 02:05:14,980 --> 02:05:12,740 down and I think we were using tested 2542 02:05:18,340 --> 02:05:14,990 but that seawall was put in there about 2543 02:05:18,580 --> 02:05:18,350 a century ago and it changed the dynamic 2544 02:05:21,130 --> 02:05:18,590 of 2545 02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:21,140 Beach that's why that rock is now buried 2546 02:05:26,950 --> 02:05:23,090 but in the past it would have been 2547 02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:26,960 exposed right right and probably stuck 2548 02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:28,850 out of the ground maybe four or five six 2549 02:05:36,760 --> 02:05:33,050 feet and in this side thou shalt conquer 2550 02:05:40,510 --> 02:05:36,770 and it's about a mile away from the 2551 02:05:42,730 --> 02:05:40,520 Newport tower and across the bay is the 2552 02:05:45,730 --> 02:05:42,740 Narragansett rune stone inscription with 2553 02:05:48,420 --> 02:05:45,740 our hook decks so you know I've been 2554 02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:48,430 arguing that the Templars came over here 2555 02:05:54,360 --> 02:05:51,770 around 1400 and built the Newport Tower 2556 02:05:57,310 --> 02:05:54,370 carved the Narragansett rune stone and 2557 02:05:57,790 --> 02:05:57,320 you know what else would be connected to 2558 02:06:00,580 --> 02:05:57,800 Oh 2559 02:06:02,650 --> 02:06:00,590 in this sign thou shalt conquer and you 2560 02:06:05,230 --> 02:06:02,660 remember that the dimensions that they 2561 02:06:08,590 --> 02:06:05,240 laid out the inscription were exactly 2562 02:06:12,070 --> 02:06:08,600 two to one exactly two to one 2563 02:06:15,460 --> 02:06:12,080 and that oblong square as we call it in 2564 02:06:19,690 --> 02:06:15,470 Freemasonry is a very important indeed 2565 02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:19,700 sacred ratio that is found in our lodges 2566 02:06:26,410 --> 02:06:22,610 it's the dimensions of all kinds of 2567 02:06:29,260 --> 02:06:26,420 important things throughout history that 2568 02:06:33,370 --> 02:06:29,270 are related to Templar ISM and in 2569 02:06:34,350 --> 02:06:33,380 Freemasonry and it was that a 2570 02:06:40,930 --> 02:06:34,360 coincidence 2571 02:06:43,180 --> 02:06:40,940 this is absolutely intentional and the 2572 02:06:46,060 --> 02:06:43,190 weathering was fantastic the technology 2573 02:06:48,850 --> 02:06:46,070 we were able to use was amazing and how 2574 02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:48,860 about the archaeologists we got how 2575 02:06:55,810 --> 02:06:53,810 about that yes yes yes yes and and well 2576 02:06:59,500 --> 02:06:55,820 is he while we've been talking on the 2577 02:07:01,090 --> 02:06:59,510 phone Oh what did he say he said you're 2578 02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:01,100 doing great are you gonna talk about our 2579 02:07:08,890 --> 02:07:05,690 episode I said yes I said we will who 2580 02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:08,900 are talking about is Brad Lidge who is a 2581 02:07:16,090 --> 02:07:13,520 retired former major league pitcher for 2582 02:07:19,020 --> 02:07:16,100 the Philadelphia Phillies who threw the 2583 02:07:22,230 --> 02:07:19,030 last pitch I think it was in the 2009 2584 02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:22,240 somebody can google it world series and 2585 02:07:29,830 --> 02:07:27,610 while he was and he retired in 2013 but 2586 02:07:30,430 --> 02:07:29,840 while he was still in Major League 2587 02:07:32,090 --> 02:07:30,440 Baseball 2588 02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:32,100 remember he was telling me goes look 2589 02:07:36,050 --> 02:07:33,810 because I'm travelling on the road he 2590 02:07:38,090 --> 02:07:36,060 goes you can only watch so much TV he 2591 02:07:41,090 --> 02:07:38,100 can only play so many card games he said 2592 02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:41,100 I decided to go back to college and get 2593 02:07:50,990 --> 02:07:45,330 my master's in archaeology and the dude 2594 02:07:54,200 --> 02:07:51,000 is smart he's he's such a good dude I 2595 02:07:58,520 --> 02:07:54,210 mean I can't even tell you he's humble 2596 02:08:00,200 --> 02:07:58,530 he's he's just he's just great and so we 2597 02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:00,210 have some plants there are some things 2598 02:08:03,830 --> 02:08:02,250 that we want to do but he was the 2599 02:08:06,410 --> 02:08:03,840 archaeologist that we brought with us 2600 02:08:08,510 --> 02:08:06,420 and you know if you watch the episode 2601 02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:08,520 you'll see he isn't some guy who's just 2602 02:08:13,310 --> 02:08:11,130 pandering to me right he's you know he's 2603 02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:13,320 asking some hard questions but at the 2604 02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:15,360 same time he's open-minded and he's 2605 02:08:19,100 --> 02:08:16,800 going you know what Scott you got a 2606 02:08:21,410 --> 02:08:19,110 pretty pretty compelling argument here I 2607 02:08:23,090 --> 02:08:21,420 think you're on to something and you 2608 02:08:25,850 --> 02:08:23,100 know he's not saying that just because 2609 02:08:27,740 --> 02:08:25,860 he's my friend or anything else he's 2610 02:08:30,830 --> 02:08:27,750 saying it because he really he really 2611 02:08:34,100 --> 02:08:30,840 believes it there is you go on the 2612 02:08:38,090 --> 02:08:34,110 record in this episode where you're 2613 02:08:41,510 --> 02:08:38,100 talking about the naira against extreme 2614 02:08:45,620 --> 02:08:41,520 yeah we're use you say definitively that 2615 02:08:49,460 --> 02:08:45,630 there is no questions about this being 2616 02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:49,470 authentic that this is what it is this 2617 02:08:56,660 --> 02:08:54,570 is real of course well and and as far as 2618 02:09:01,810 --> 02:08:56,670 the in hock stone goes I think the 2619 02:09:06,890 --> 02:09:04,070 morale tradition that takes these things 2620 02:09:11,210 --> 02:09:06,900 back a hundred and a hundred and fifty 2621 02:09:14,150 --> 02:09:11,220 years at least so you know who know 2622 02:09:16,850 --> 02:09:14,160 about the hawk Dex until I published my 2623 02:09:19,820 --> 02:09:16,860 book in 2000 nobody knew about the hook 2624 02:09:22,270 --> 02:09:19,830 Dex and using it in the proper context 2625 02:09:26,870 --> 02:09:22,280 you kidding me 2626 02:09:28,820 --> 02:09:26,880 look there is zero evidence that speaks 2627 02:09:30,650 --> 02:09:28,830 against these things and how can there 2628 02:09:33,500 --> 02:09:30,660 be evidence against them if they're real 2629 02:09:35,060 --> 02:09:33,510 that evidence can't exist this is what a 2630 02:09:38,210 --> 02:09:35,070 lot of people don't understand 2631 02:09:40,730 --> 02:09:38,220 so we're seeing that there is actually 2632 02:09:43,130 --> 02:09:40,740 and there's more evidence of the 2633 02:09:45,089 --> 02:09:43,140 Templars being here and this is part of 2634 02:09:47,399 --> 02:09:45,099 a much bigger story 2635 02:09:50,580 --> 02:09:47,409 about how this country was really 2636 02:09:54,629 --> 02:09:50,590 founded and what those tenants and 2637 02:09:57,419 --> 02:09:54,639 principles are that are what the 2638 02:09:58,589 --> 02:09:57,429 founding fathers intended and I got to 2639 02:10:00,449 --> 02:09:58,599 be honest with you and I don't want to 2640 02:10:02,699 --> 02:10:00,459 get into a political discussion but I'm 2641 02:10:05,609 --> 02:10:02,709 telling you that the politicians on both 2642 02:10:08,009 --> 02:10:05,619 sides of the aisle have lost that they 2643 02:10:10,409 --> 02:10:08,019 have no freaking clue what the 2644 02:10:12,869 --> 02:10:10,419 Constitution is really all about and 2645 02:10:16,739 --> 02:10:12,879 what this country was was founded upon 2646 02:10:20,250 --> 02:10:16,749 and I really think that it creates an 2647 02:10:22,409 --> 02:10:20,260 opportunity for us and for me to make 2648 02:10:24,149 --> 02:10:22,419 sure that we get this evidence out that 2649 02:10:25,919 --> 02:10:24,159 the true story of the founding of this 2650 02:10:27,119 --> 02:10:25,929 country which started with the 2651 02:10:30,209 --> 02:10:27,129 Kensington Runestone 2652 02:10:32,790 --> 02:10:30,219 as the initial land claim the stake in 2653 02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:32,800 the ground and that obligation was 2654 02:10:38,879 --> 02:10:35,050 passed on to our founding fathers who 2655 02:10:41,459 --> 02:10:38,889 finished the job who were all freemasons 2656 02:10:43,409 --> 02:10:41,469 and not just freemasons they were also 2657 02:10:45,389 --> 02:10:43,419 Knights Templar I hate to break it to 2658 02:10:47,250 --> 02:10:45,399 people that's something most people 2659 02:10:50,939 --> 02:10:47,260 don't know but that's a fact 2660 02:10:53,639 --> 02:10:50,949 and these artifacts like the ones in 2661 02:10:56,069 --> 02:10:53,649 Newport the Narragansett rune stone the 2662 02:10:58,709 --> 02:10:56,079 in hoc Signo Vinces and my god the 2663 02:11:01,020 --> 02:10:58,719 Newport Tower is the most important 2664 02:11:03,569 --> 02:11:01,030 stone and mortar structure in this 2665 02:11:06,330 --> 02:11:03,579 country there should be a museum built 2666 02:11:08,669 --> 02:11:06,340 around it and yet we're still talking 2667 02:11:12,119 --> 02:11:08,679 about it today people go well I think it 2668 02:11:14,939 --> 02:11:12,129 was a it's it's so maddening Jimmy it 2669 02:11:17,459 --> 02:11:14,949 makes me it makes my skin crawl that 2670 02:11:19,830 --> 02:11:17,469 we're not treating these things with the 2671 02:11:21,479 --> 02:11:19,840 respect they deserve because this is the 2672 02:11:23,909 --> 02:11:21,489 true history of the founding of this 2673 02:11:27,029 --> 02:11:23,919 country well and we've got one minute 2674 02:11:29,279 --> 02:11:27,039 left Scott and I want to thank you first 2675 02:11:31,739 --> 02:11:29,289 for not only this show tonight but for 2676 02:11:35,699 --> 02:11:31,749 all of the work that you do I 2677 02:11:37,739 --> 02:11:35,709 I know that the season just wrapped but 2678 02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:37,749 are we gonna see a season five are you 2679 02:11:43,770 --> 02:11:41,530 already working on it well no we're not 2680 02:11:47,509 --> 02:11:43,780 working on it and I don't know if we're 2681 02:11:51,719 --> 02:11:47,519 going to get a season five or not and 2682 02:11:54,959 --> 02:11:51,729 you know I I really have mixed mixed 2683 02:11:57,510 --> 02:11:54,969 emotions because I I would love to do a 2684 02:11:59,550 --> 02:11:57,520 season five I think there's 2685 02:12:02,520 --> 02:11:59,560 I know that there's plenty that we can 2686 02:12:05,910 --> 02:12:02,530 do but I also want to continue to do the 2687 02:12:07,800 --> 02:12:05,920 story that is still out there there's a 2688 02:12:10,650 --> 02:12:07,810 lot of content that we have that we have 2689 02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:10,660 not shared yet that has to do with the 2690 02:12:15,450 --> 02:12:12,010 Templars and the founding of this 2691 02:12:17,570 --> 02:12:15,460 country and it's amazing stuff so I 2692 02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:17,580 really want to do it and if it's if 2693 02:12:22,500 --> 02:12:19,810 America on earth is a vehicle that'd be 2694 02:12:24,750 --> 02:12:22,510 fantastic if not we'll do it somewhere 2695 02:12:26,280 --> 02:12:24,760 else but if this does turn out to be the 2696 02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:26,290 last season that I don't know if that's 2697 02:12:32,100 --> 02:12:29,890 going to happen or not all I can say is 2698 02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:32,110 I've been so lucky and so fortunate I 2699 02:12:38,760 --> 02:12:35,890 think History Channel h2 and Travel 2700 02:12:41,400 --> 02:12:38,770 Channel especially they treated me so 2701 02:12:43,200 --> 02:12:41,410 well and gave us this opportunity I'm 2702 02:12:45,570 --> 02:12:43,210 really grateful and I'm grateful to you 2703 02:12:47,220 --> 02:12:45,580 to Jimmy because you know all kidding 2704 02:12:49,980 --> 02:12:47,230 aside we have a lot of fun on your show 2705 02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:49,990 and we laugh and and grit into all this 2706 02:12:54,060 --> 02:12:51,370 crazy stuff but I really appreciate 2707 02:12:56,820 --> 02:12:54,070 having this this outlet your you're a 2708 02:12:59,310 --> 02:12:56,830 great dude a good friend and I really 2709 02:13:02,730 --> 02:12:59,320 appreciate it thank you so much God give 2710 02:13:05,340 --> 02:13:02,740 my best to Jann and I've got my fingers 2711 02:13:07,740 --> 02:13:05,350 crossed so do all of us for a season 2712 02:13:10,550 --> 02:13:07,750 five and we always look forward to your 2713 02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:10,560 next venture thank you so much god 2714 02:13:17,490 --> 02:13:14,050 alright well chat soon but Scott Wolter 2715 02:13:20,850 --> 02:13:17,500 and this is you can go to it's all 2716 02:13:24,150 --> 02:13:20,860 simple hooked x.com and Scott Wolter 2717 02:13:25,890 --> 02:13:24,160 answers dot blog spot.com all the links 2718 02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:25,900 are over at Jimmy Church radio calm and 2719 02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:27,370 you can head straight to Travel Channel 2720 02:13:32,430 --> 02:13:29,370 too as well for a full schedule on 2721 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